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gene Steinberg

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first of all neighbors I'd like to make

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30 we're here ready to ask the hard

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questions of new funds executive

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director Jan Tarzan he'll join us in a

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few minutes but first we're gonna cover

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some other stuff now Chris you've been

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fighting cold separate since you decided

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to attend a couple of UFO events yeah

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airplane air and just I'm gonna have to

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start wearing I'm going Japanese and

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wearing my Gus maps and filters when I

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go on airplanes it's just it's really

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really an issue I'm very susceptible to

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picking up little bugs here and there

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and fighting them off and if I have to

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get my heating to my HVAC guy in here

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and figure out why where I'm living the

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heat doesn't work I woke up and it was

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in the 40s here this morning which is

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not conducive for getting over colds and

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that sort of thing I'm all bundled up in

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my hoodie and I've got a little heater

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trying to keep my feet warm right now

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and but it's all good I'm sure we'll be

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able to figure all that out in the

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meantime just haven't really attempted

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to look into you know what the

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electrical situation is with the

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thermostat and everything there may be a

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battery that needs to be changed or

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something I don't know it's a new place

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I've not really had the heat on so you

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know it's getting used to inactivated to

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the electronics and in the system here

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so that's just something I got to do but

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it's all good things of things are going

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good otherwise with me but we'll have to

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reserve judgment and I'm working on a

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California tour speaking tour for

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January it looks like I've got three

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places lined up and I'm working on

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possibly

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expanding it up to Oregon and Washington

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and of course speaking to no see this

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will be my fourth or fifth time going

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down to Jan Tarzan's

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neck of the woods you know and you say

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we're gonna be asking the hard questions

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yeah we will be but but don't forget you

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know Jan has helped us with the San Luis

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Valley camera project and you know

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Orange County OSI has helped us they've

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also had me down there to speak and

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they're considering having me down there

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to speak again so I'm gonna I'm gonna

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leave this the real hard questions to

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Eugene because you know I you know be

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perfectly honest here I you know I do

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obviously have quite quite a bit of

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problems with MUFON right now I think

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and we're gonna obviously be discussing

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this there are some real major issues

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that I have I take exception to I think

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MUFON should should you know it's a it's

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a let's put it this way it's a very fine

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line between entertainment and the

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scientific investigation of the UFO

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phenomenon it's a very fine line in this

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day and age and I'm gonna have to be

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extra careful politically correct and

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all those sorts of things with how I

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deal with with some of these tough

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questions Jean I'm you know I'm putting

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it out there I'm I'm I mean MUFON it's

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not like they are funding the San Luis

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Valley camera project they put in a few

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hundred dollars but but you know I don't

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like to bite the hand that did that

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feeds me so to speak and is trying to

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move the process forward and and plus

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they're inviting me down to to speak

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there it's uh you know MUFON OC of

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course where Jan has been a longtime

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fixture so I'm gonna have to leave the

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backup but okay the long and short of it

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is Chris let Jan hate me and not you

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that's the way it is right well no I

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don't want Jan hate anybody Jane I mean

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if you're in this to have people hate

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you I'm I've got the wrong freakin

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co-host there okay well you know what is

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in this field people will hate you no

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matter what I'll give you an example of

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that

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we've had some reviews on YouTube for

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the recent Jacque fillet appearance were

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you

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talking about the San Luis Valley

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project and I just cut out one of the

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messages where somebody was saying well

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you were just in to fundraise and that

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was that I am right to raise funds for

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this project of yours you were somehow

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roping in valet which was preposterous

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because that is not what you were

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talking about during the episode not at

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all and if I was only in this the fund

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raised I would have had Kickstarter

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GoFundMe you've you know you funded

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programs coming out the wazoo

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years ago well you know something really

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interesting here what is it

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Tom DeLonge has had this fundraising

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project to the Stars whatever and we

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haven't run the link but some people

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have I think he's up to like a million

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and a half for two million dollars and

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two million dollars almost two million

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gosh and that's pretty fast you have to

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think here how many projects raise that

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kind of capital unless it's for a retail

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product yeah yeah you know it's just

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there's a sucker born every minute I'm

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sorry to say that but you know all that

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money is is going to offset losses in

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other ventures that he's already tried

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to do which has been very well

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demonstrated with several very good

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posts that I've read online about how

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the the whole thing is being set up in

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terms of a business structure in the

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corporate the corporate side so I'm

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gonna be very interested to see what

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kind of dividend is going to be produced

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for all this investment well with the

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assumption here that if you pay what

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upwards of $200 that's the minimum

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well minimum right if you invest at

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least $200 wouldn't you expect to have

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some kind of return from it well it

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depends on how the Class B stock is set

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up and you know there's a lot of SEC

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mandated ins-and-outs on this I I have

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been involved in some startups and and

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and know a little bit about this not

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much and and there are variations

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depending on the type of starter it is I

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would just assume that everybody if they

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were

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you know even halfway intelligent would

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not expect a dime of return on their

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investment if they're you know a small a

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small kind of you know hundred dollar

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level you know hundreds of dollar level

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investor when you're starting to put in

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four or five figures then I would hope

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that their sophistication level of

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sophistication would be enough so that

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they would not be investing in something

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that was was a just throwing their money

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away

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I would hope someone would a

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sophisticated investor I think it's a

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turn with the SEC users would would have

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enough smarts to to fully look at the

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potential upside and downside of any any

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sort of investment scenario I don't see

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this as being a viable investment in any

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stretch of the imagination I see a bunch

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of guys that are recently retired from

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the intelligence community's aerospace

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physics that sort of thing looking for a

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possible vehicle to attach themselves to

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to maybe generate a little income in

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their retirement and a an absolute

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neophyte dupe who's sitting as the

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figurehead who has quote read all the

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books so he quote knows everything

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anybody that can make such an asinine

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statement as that and acts actually be

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taken seriously says volumes about the

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the level of intelligence that we have

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in the in the youth logical community

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out there and I of course our listeners

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are the exception to that but it's a sad

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it's a sad state of affairs if anybody

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thinks comm DeLong has a snowball's

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chance in hell of producing anything

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worth value anything worth furthering

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our knowledge about these wonderful

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subjects I think you are an absolute

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fool if you buy into anything that this

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guy is promising now I should point out

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here something we mentioned with Kevin

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Randle since she's written on the

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subject it looks like at least some of

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the sources that Tom DeLonge claims to

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have are just the UFO books he's read

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the wrong UFO books he's read right and

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look at some of the videos he's touting

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I mean obvious CGI hoaxes hello people

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wake up hello McFly is anybody in there

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we're gonna have Jan and the

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executive director of move fun coming up

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looking here and I'm connecting on skype

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with Jan Harz an and what do I see an

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avatar that looks remarkably like ron

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james after being up for about 48 hours

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straight

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and i'm wondering here is ron james

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shape-shifting to become jan an

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chin tell us it's not so funny with you

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on over from the 2017 symposium where we

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were trying to Skype in gary mckinnon

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from england ron bard my computer and

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set it up so i have to change the avatar

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back I guess I would recommend it I

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don't want people to be frightened off

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yeah it's good idea now before we got

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started with you we were talking briefly

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about this fundraising thing going on

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with Tom DeLonge where yeah this to the

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Stars project he's raised like two

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million dollars so far in just a few

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weeks and you got to think what's he

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doing that you're not doing I'm asking

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myself that same question Jean pretty

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phenomenal I think I think he's got some

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big money backers helping I haven't

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looked through the actual how many

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donations and what what size they are

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but hey my hats off to him I mean boy if

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you couldn't raise two million dollars

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in about a month's that's that's a

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pretty phenomenal thing right yeah

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well I just I was mentioning to Jean

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before you came on Jan that anybody

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that's hoping for some sort of

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investment or return on investment boy

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I'll tell you there's a sucker born

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every minute and on this planet if

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that's the case cuz I don't see a

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snowball's chance in hell of these folks

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no matter no matter how well-intentioned

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and how grandiose the vision I don't see

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anything coming out of this except maybe

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some bad sci-fi entertainment or

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something which we'll talk about that

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whole subject here as we go on today but

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I I don't know I'm just I'm not getting

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a good feeling about it well I think you

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need to separate the investment aspect

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of it from from who's doing the talking

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because you know the one thing we all

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want in ufology is for disclosure right

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I mean that we're all clamoring for the

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president knighted States or somebody of

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significance that step to a podium and

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and lay it out to us and exactly what's

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going on this may be as close as we get

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to a disclosure if you look at the

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caliber of the people who were on stage

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with Tom I understand here not all of us

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can believe that disclosure is ever

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going to happen or that the government

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knows enough to disclose I think here if

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they don't have answers they're not

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going to admit that right well I think

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you hit the nail on the head I mean I

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don't think our government has the

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knowledge to disclose whoever is working

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this behind the scenes has got it so

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well buried and so well hidden that even

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people working in the government like

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Christopher Mellon Chris contacted me

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about two years ago wanting to get

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involved with MUFON and he and I chatted

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and he's got a very deep background in

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working in Congress as a staffer for the

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Senate Minority I think leader for the

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Senate Intelligence Committee he's

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worked with Department of fans he's

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worked with the intelligence

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he knows quite a few people up there on

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the hill and his question to me the

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reason he wanted to talk to me is he

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wanted to ask me the question what are

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these triangles and and my answer back

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to him was very simple I said why Chris

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I was hoping you could tell me that

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right because we think they're ours you

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know yeah the answer to me was

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well they're not ours there's somebody

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else's so whose are they then that's

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kind of a frightening thing I mean if

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the people who are talking to the

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highest levels of the NSA the CIA the

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the military don't know what these

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things are that's kind of a frightening

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thought but then you're assuming they do

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know what these things are

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I think somebody knows what these things

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are I think our problem with this whole

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thing is it so well compartmentalized

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that it's hidden from the guy staying in

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the room next you doesn't know what you

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know and you don't know what the guy in

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the other room knows well and so we we

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need to somehow bring this out into the

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light and begin discussing it and I see

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that as kind of this TTS if there's one

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thing that it can do is maybe get a

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conversation going with military people

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intelligence people who aren't on the

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inside I mean there are obviously some I

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believe actually leaving out a major

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component that's the aerospace industry

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you know the high-tech private sector

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that's what that's where all these you

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know secrets are being buried to me it's

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obvious Chris that's a good point and

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one of the people on that panel was from

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the walkie Martins skunk works so you

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know I go back to my conversation some

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thirty four years ago now with Ben rich

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where he said we have the technology to

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take e.t home if it's been 34 years and

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we've had that technology what have we

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done with it we didn't sit on it

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somebody had to do something with it so

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I I think this could be the crack in the

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door to get disclosure if not directly

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through the people who have already done

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it if maybe to recreate it in the white

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world so that's a that's why I hope

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that's my you know I think that's a

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possibility that could happen whether it

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does happen I don't you know who knows

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but I mean I'm looking at it is okay we

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have some very very high-level

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well-connected people in in the

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Department of Defense in our

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intelligence community in our private

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industry in our Congress government you

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know doing their own personal research

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in the case of help pull it off if these

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guys can't make it happen I don't I

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don't know who can I mean I I mean I'd

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love for Trump to just invade area 51

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and divulge all the secret

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yeah and immediately demand

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mcDonald's be put there for all his

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visits exactly so so in my director's

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message to the four thousand MUFON

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members this month I I basically said

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look I mean this is a pretty significant

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event to have happened in privately had

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12 people look you the investment

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decision is yours if you want to invest

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in it fine I would look at it as a

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donation not like you're gonna get a

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return on it but that's just me but on

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the other hand I said in talking with

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Chris Mellon because I did call him

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after this announcement just to kind of

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found more about what this what this

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whole thing and what their hope was his

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belief is that if we can get Congress to

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look at this one case from 2004 on the

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Nimitz where I think it was three

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different f-18s got scrambled and they

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chased this craft around the skies and

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got it on you know gun camera footage of

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it that that may open the door now his

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words to me were Jan we're not gonna go

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into Congress with we want to talk about

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alien bodies or crashed saucers or this

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we're gonna say look there was this

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incident on a major aircraft carrier in

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the US Navy of a device that they chased

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a device of high technology whose was it

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you know and you asked that question and

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you have an inquiry which is a could be

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a closed-door inquiry could be an open

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door inquiry and the congressmen and

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Senators start asking questions of these

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pilots and look and reviewing the gun

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camera footage and pretty soon it

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becomes like well who's taken out if

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this is not our technology whose

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technology is it that opens the door to

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how many more of these things have there

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been but you're going back in time here

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which I kind of like to do when people

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say I'm stuck in the 50s and yeah in the

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50s major Keyhoe and nightcap we're

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lobbying for congressional hearings they

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got the hearings in the 1960s and they

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got the Condon committee and where that

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go of course Wilfong came after that as

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we know you know when you started up in

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69 as the Midwest UFO network I remember

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yeah well you know in fact when this

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when this all broke I called a number of

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different people in the UFO community oh

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you're one of them being Steven Greer to

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ask him you know what are your thoughts

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on this whole thing let's stop right

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here and I'm let me do

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we'll get into more of what Jen did and

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about disclosure and things like that

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and we have a bunch of questions about

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MUFON to ask more to come with Jeanne

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you are listening to GCN

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Greer now you know is we know that you

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know his reputation is kind of shaky

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these days was that device to make well

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he wasn't the only guy I talked to I

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talked to a number different people but

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but go ahead pretty sure so comment no

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going well I think it's fairly obvious

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in terms of Greer I think in the early

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days it looked like he was strictly

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looking for some kind of disclosure now

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he appears to just be in it for himself

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to be blunt well yeah and that's a whole

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other discussion you know I've known

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Steven for 25 years as have I yes Chris

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some eyeballs on this whole topic and of

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course Steve Bassett followed up with it

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many several years later about four

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three four or five years ago and I did

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another great disclosure event the

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difference between those events and what

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happened here on October 11th is it was

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the insiders doing the disclosure it

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wasn't it wasn't ufologists or people

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who have a interest in this topic

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bringing their you know military and

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defense friends together yeah you know

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so to me it's a different thing that

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happened here on earth

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step forward there's no question Janne

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that this is a major development when it

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comes to Steven Greer like I told them

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back in 94 his message is more important

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than he is yes and I don't you know I

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think I think in this field we all need

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to lose our egos because there are too

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many egos in this field and it's hurting

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things we need to be focused on what the

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mission is which is discovering the

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truth behind these craft that are seen

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in our skies daily I mean reports pour

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in every day and move on these things so

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now the two things I've heard about this

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whole TTS thing I've been watching kind

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of the chatter even within MUFON of

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people talking about it

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there seem to be two major concerns one

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investment standpoint and the other is

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this quote evil alien tone you know I

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didn't hear any evil alien tone on this

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call and I've talked to helpu Tov I've

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talked to Chris melon I don't know the

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other gentleman personally so I didn't

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time and talk to them but I don't pick

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up an evil alien tones in this thing and

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and what I told individuals who are

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concerned about this is look the first

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thing we need to do is make this a major

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conversation among the general public

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because what I find I don't know what

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you guys do but I talk to people I mean

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friends church members Club members

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people I just know through many

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associations the general attitude is Oh

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interesting but but they aren't really

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they really aren't interested in this I

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had coffee with the CEO of a restaurant

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comments me he was well this is all very

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interesting he says but you know it

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really doesn't affect me so I'm not

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gonna even spend any time thinking about

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it then to me that's just like frightful

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from wherever they're coming from coming

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planet and the general population is

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watching an occasional something on the

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sci-fi channel or history or whatever

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but we've got to wake up the world that

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this is going on right well you know the

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thing I'm

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ask you then are you more interested in

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getting out the message or evangelizing

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UFO reality or engaging in scientific

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research to know exactly what they

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really are well for me it's the latter I

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mean but first you have to wake up the

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world because here's our problem our

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problem is today scientists and

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engineers don't want to work on and not

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they don't want to work on this but they

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can't work on it because if they do they

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get ostracized they get marginalized

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I mean scientists don't want to touch

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the word you you notice that these

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people always put it in other words

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unidentified aerial phenomenon you know

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I loved Hilary's comments you know we

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don't call it UFOs we call it

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unidentified aerial phenomena well I

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don't care what you call it it's a UFO

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it's the same thing yeah but but these

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beings are wherever they are are so far

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advanced from us I mean whether it's a

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hundred years more a thousand years more

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or a million years more that if we would

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just take the time to study and

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understand it from a physics standpoint

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there's no reason why we couldn't

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advance our own civilization hundreds of

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years and I think that was said in the

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trailer to this tts by how how put offer

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one of the scientists we could leap

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funding out of the National Science

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yeah not only that jamming we just had

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John Alexander on here a couple of weeks

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ago and that's been his mantra ever

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statement says we have to make it oh you

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ridicule we have to take the the the

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anything until that happens well exactly

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so now you have you have the guys that

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were like you know I don't know what the

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number two guys in the CIA you've got

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people who were in the intelligence

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Defense you've got a guy who worked with

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Congress to look at this thing

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and legitimize it as something worth

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studying I think it just opens the door

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wide open to allow exactly that to

813
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happen and that's why I would be

814
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supportive of it right but the thing I

815
00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:56,059
wonder about here is how far you push

816
00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:58,460
the message if you say let's look for

817
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:01,190
these interstellar visitors you know I

818
00:34:07,149 --> 00:34:04,010
don't sign but if you say we have these

819
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:07,159
events things are being seen they seem

820
00:34:10,659 --> 00:34:08,990
to exhibit intelligent control we

821
00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:10,669
photograph them sometimes they see

822
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:12,580
beings in connection with them etc

823
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,169
therefore we have a mystery that we need

824
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:16,879
to understand let's see what's going on

825
00:34:23,849 --> 00:34:19,849
that may be more politically correct

826
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:23,859
which is I think why some people avoid

827
00:34:28,419 --> 00:34:26,270
specifying any final answer or

828
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:28,429
conclusion it's better to say here's

829
00:34:32,589 --> 00:34:30,230
what's going on that we don't understand

830
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:32,599
that's not being explained let's figure

831
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:35,450
it out do you see the distinction no I

832
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:37,129
what you're saying Jean I mean you've

833
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got to approach it very cautiously and I

834
00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:42,020
think that's what Chris Mellon is trying

835
00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:45,470
to do with this whole 2004 Nimitz case

836
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:47,389
is if he's not going in there saying we

837
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:49,399
had a flying saucer from Zeta Reticuli

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00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:50,780
flying around our skies let's go look

839
00:34:54,849 --> 00:34:52,550
into it basically they're saying look

840
00:34:57,310 --> 00:34:54,859
there was this incident on the Nimitz

841
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:57,320
where jet fighter craft were scrambled

842
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,170
to a possible you know called a threat

843
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,000
whatever you want to call it and they

844
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:05,359
captured some technology which is so far

845
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:09,140
advanced that it's amazing and oh guess

846
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:11,150
what it's not ours you know so whose is

847
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:12,920
it is it the Russians is that the

848
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Chinese no no yeah I mean you know until

849
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:16,940
you go down the track well how many more

850
00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:18,410
of these incidents have there been well

851
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I can just tell you from the reports we

852
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:22,700
get there's been a lot of these types of

853
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:25,670
incidents on our military aircraft we

854
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:29,839
all know that these objects tend to go

855
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:32,150
to military installations nuclear power

856
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:33,619
plants in places where anti-gravity

857
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:34,730
research is being done I mean that's

858
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:36,890
just been the history of this phenomenon

859
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:38,089
that that's work that's where these

860
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:41,260
things are seen many many times so I

861
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know what else to say I just I may ask

862
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you I'm gonna ask you a bigger question

863
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which is alright you guys have been at

864
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it since 1969 was that 48 years 48 years

865
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:55,880
yeah see Mike only yesterday

866
00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:57,290
and we're gonna have to split in a

867
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minute for a piece of business but let's

868
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focus on that for a second based on what

869
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:04,850
you knew then and what you know now

870
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about what's going on and I think we'll

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hold the answer to our next segment but

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based on the awareness of what the

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original founders of the Midwest UFO

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network knew in 1969 based on what you

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folks know now in 2017 what in general

876
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have you learned about the UFO phenomena

877
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we're going to ask that question now and

878
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we'll have a chance answer our next

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segment with Jeanne and Chris you're in

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the para coast

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Stan Friedman you are listening to the

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Americans

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the gold-standard a paranormal radio so

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Jan Harz an what if you guys learned

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over the 48 years that's a broad

979
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question gene thanks for asking it well

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I think one thing for sure is that these

981
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objects are real and of course we've

982
00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:29,700
known that for the better part of the

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forty eight years they appear to exhibit

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advanced physics that we don't currently

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understand or least we don't understand

986
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in the white world I think from my own

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mindset they appear to be able to

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manipulate space and time I mean I don't

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know from my own personal experiences I

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mean they seem to be able to manipulate

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space and time which means that they

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could come from any place in space and

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time

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they don't necessarily need to be from

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this universe here they could be from

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another universe they don't necessarily

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need to be from this solar system or

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this star system but it is isn't it is

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something that is so far advanced from

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our understanding of how reality is

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shaped how a consciousness is shaped

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that it begs further exploration into

1003
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all of these areas to try to figure it

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out now I've had the opportunity over

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the last two years to be welcomed into a

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community of physicists and scientists

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who are working on advanced UFO

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propulsion and one of those being James

1009
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Woodward who spoke at our 2017 symposium

1010
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up in Las Vegas in his laboratory where

1011
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he was showing me some Mach effects

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which are part of the Einstein's general

1013
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theory of relativity as he was showing

1014
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:50,130
me his experiments and things he was

1015
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,530
working on he stopped and he said Jan

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you know some point in the future maybe

1017
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a hundred years from now then he paused

1018
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,620
and he said no maybe twenty or thirty

1019
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:00,540
years from now you'll be able to wear a

1020
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:02,790
device on your wrist and you'll be able

1021
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:06,810
to put in a time and a place press a

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00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:09,300
button and your own personal wormhole

1023
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:11,220
will open up and you'll be able to step

1024
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:15,450
through to that place and time now I'm

1025
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:16,950
thinking to myself well that would

1026
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,660
certainly explain a lot of what we're

1027
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:20,880
seeing in the UFO phenomenon right

1028
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:23,190
just think of skinwalker ranch and the

1029
00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:25,880
things they reported happening up there

1030
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:28,820
you know I I just think it's so

1031
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:32,220
phenomenally you know incredible that we

1032
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:34,040
really need to step into that future

1033
00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:36,630
which is why I've been involved in this

1034
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,100
whole thing since the day I had my own

1035
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,040
close encounter at the age of 10 because

1036
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,780
I realized that the technology these

1037
00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:45,000
crafts are displaying and these beings

1038
00:43:48,980 --> 00:43:47,070
who probably fly them is something that

1039
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,990
if we could quickly get there we could

1040
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:50,460
really solve a lot of problems on this

1041
00:43:55,820 --> 00:43:53,970
planet so the search is still going on

1042
00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:55,830
gene I mean it's not conclusive I mean

1043
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:57,360
even if they came out tomorrow and said

1044
00:43:59,900 --> 00:43:58,680
yes absolutely these are from

1045
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,910
extraterrestrials or from

1046
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:01,680
interdimensional or however you want to

1047
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:04,380
put it and they know this that and the

1048
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:05,790
other I don't think it'll close because

1049
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:06,870
I think that will only open the

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00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:09,120
curiosity box for most people who will

1051
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:10,890
want to know more about well who are

1052
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:12,750
these beings were they from why are they

1053
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:13,730
here

1054
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:16,860
what is our relationship to them so I

1055
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,300
think there's a whole lot more that

1056
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:20,760
needs to be done in this whole space I'm

1057
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:23,640
challenging our ERT team to to try to

1058
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,410
pull some of this data together because

1059
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,540
I think that's the next step for this

1060
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:29,700
whole field which is okay great we know

1061
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:31,770
they're real we actually now understand

1062
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,230
how they get here from there but now we

1063
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:36,240
want to learn more about who they are

1064
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:38,010
what we don't understand how they get

1065
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:41,190
here from there we are theorizing well

1066
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,840
you know but I think but I'm talking to

1067
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,400
a point in the future let's say 10 years

1068
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,040
from now 20 years we now understand that

1069
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:50,520
at that point I think and it's general

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00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:52,170
knowledge to the average guy in the

1071
00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:53,910
street that we're being visited on a

1072
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,270
regular basis by other intelligences I

1073
00:45:00,320 --> 00:44:59,040
think their next question their minds

1074
00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:00,330
gonna be well who are these people

1075
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:02,070
right that's that'd be the logical

1076
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:04,770
question you'd ask well then we have to

1077
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:07,190
also assume if they are

1078
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:09,180
extraterrestrials interdimensional

1079
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:11,730
whatever how long have they really been

1080
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:13,950
here because we could talk about the

1081
00:45:18,380 --> 00:45:16,290
so-called ancient astronauts about weird

1082
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:18,390
things happening all through the

1083
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:19,740
centuries not just something that

1084
00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:24,060
started in 1947 and in that case if you

1085
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:27,120
have an intelligence it's been here so

1086
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:30,390
long and we assume have continued to

1087
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:32,670
develop their technology would we even

1088
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:33,720
be able to

1089
00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:36,030
recognize it I mean if they can open up

1090
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:38,580
a wormhole and go from here to there and

1091
00:45:43,070 --> 00:45:40,310
why would they need flying saucers

1092
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:43,080
that's a good question I mean that's the

1093
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,240
question I when people go down the track

1094
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:47,760
of demonology I always say well why do

1095
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:49,770
demons need a craft to fly from you

1096
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:52,980
today exactly well as Captain Kirk said

1097
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:56,040
once why does God need a spaceship yeah

1098
00:45:59,960 --> 00:45:58,530
yeah you know again I you know I need to

1099
00:46:02,120 --> 00:45:59,970
check something here

1100
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:02,130
I'm constantly asked by you know people

1101
00:46:06,859 --> 00:46:05,460
they find out you know however that I'm

1102
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:06,869
interested in all these types of

1103
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:09,030
subjects and they go you know some of

1104
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:10,890
the only oh oh you're into aliens and I

1105
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,230
my stock answer is always we'll wait a

1106
00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:16,140
minute how do you know that they're the

1107
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,750
aliens how do we know that we're not the

1108
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,520
aliens and that they've been no longer

1109
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:22,260
than we have and we aren't even from

1110
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,050
here you know people make all these

1111
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:27,660
knee-jerk assumptions that were dealing

1112
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:29,369
with visitors from elsewhere and that

1113
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:31,230
we're the ones that are supposed to be

1114
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:34,380
here it may be topsy-turvy it may be 180

1115
00:46:39,859 --> 00:46:37,290
degrees differ and until we're able to

1116
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:39,869
establish that it's just the playing

1117
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:42,570
field and and then the players obviously

1118
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:44,550
in the playing field I think would be

1119
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:46,950
the next step but but until until we're

1120
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,310
able to make some very basic

1121
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:51,359
determinations I mean we're gonna be

1122
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,790
spinning our wheels and maybe that's why

1123
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:55,800
this whole phenomenon is here to begin

1124
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:57,330
with they're going back to you know

1125
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:00,270
valet 101 maybe this is just some sort

1126
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:03,330
of collective sort of control mechanism

1127
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:06,060
to pull us off planet let's say to go

1128
00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:09,570
out and see the universe to take some of

1129
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,420
the pressure off the wonderful

1130
00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:13,760
biodiversity and the environment here

1131
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,080
you know maybe this is just some sort of

1132
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:18,359
ruse to get us off planet that it has

1133
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:20,910
nothing to do with other intelligences

1134
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:23,609
other creatures other agendas

1135
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:28,400
you know technologically based scenarios

1136
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:30,630
they're too grounded in some sort of

1137
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:33,390
other civilization let's say you know

1138
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:37,070
until we I think really grasp the full

1139
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:39,180
philosophical implications of what we're

1140
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:40,200
dealing with I don't think we have a

1141
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:42,150
snowball's chance in hell of figuring

1142
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:43,380
out what it is that we're dealing with

1143
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:44,430
why they're here and what their agenda

1144
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:44,910
is

1145
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,240
civilization that grew up on earth you

1146
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:56,400
know a million years ago and for

1147
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:57,300
whatever reason decided to go

1148
00:48:00,620 --> 00:47:59,220
underground right or go under the oceans

1149
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:00,630
or wherever they went and so it could

1150
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:03,090
just be past civilizations from this

1151
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:04,470
from our own planet right that's not a

1152
00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:05,340
possibility

1153
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:07,590
I mean I've always thought I've always

1154
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:08,850
had the sense that we're dealing with

1155
00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:10,650
other tenants in the building and that

1156
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:13,620
possibly reptilians or dinosaurs that

1157
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:15,450
actually evolved before the end of the

1158
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,550
Cretaceous went off planet got off

1159
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:19,740
planet to save themselves and now coming

1160
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:22,590
back to you know check out you know the

1161
00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:24,210
old the old stomping grounds and see if

1162
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:27,870
maybe they want to reappropriation you

1163
00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:30,570
talk about ancient civilizations leaving

1164
00:48:34,850 --> 00:48:33,120
the earth that's the classic legend of

1165
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:34,860
the DeRose and nity rose from richard

1166
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:38,460
shape yeah yeah yeah there's a ring to

1167
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:40,410
it well what if they never left the

1168
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,850
earth what if they just decided to go

1169
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:43,380
live under the earth or something who

1170
00:48:50,810 --> 00:48:46,980
knows or in there please yeah I mean

1171
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:50,820
it's or in the Earth's mantle I saw this

1172
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,730
weird Edward Snowden which I haven't

1173
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,980
seen any any further mention of this but

1174
00:49:00,080 --> 00:48:58,020
supposedly there's some sort of

1175
00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:00,090
monitoring program going on in the

1176
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Earth's trenches where we have the deep

1177
00:49:09,310 --> 00:49:05,930
volcanic vents and that objects are

1178
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:09,320
being monitored leaving and entering

1179
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:11,430
some of the deepest portions of the

1180
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,690
ocean to some sort of subterranean sub

1181
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:17,280
oceanic realm or something and that the

1182
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:18,990
government knows and there might the

1183
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:21,540
president gets daily reports I saw some

1184
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,510
crazy story that that obviously had a

1185
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,640
ring of hoax and

1186
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:28,740
fake news I think is the term du jour

1187
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:33,740
right now but but that whole scenario I

1188
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:38,520
I think is is has just as much relevance

1189
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,130
in terms of hypotheticals is any sort of

1190
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,380
et comes from another star system does

1191
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,720
or any interdimensional x' or any of

1192
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,460
that sort of thing I've always said

1193
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:50,040
exhaust all closed system scenarios

1194
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:51,960
before jumping off Planet I mean that's

1195
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:54,090
been my mantra for many years and I'll

1196
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:56,010
stick to it I think this is really

1197
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:58,050
important that we establish what we're

1198
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:00,660
dealing with here just on the very basic

1199
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:01,290
level before

1200
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:03,960
we even attempt to try to interpret the

1201
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:06,660
the actions or second-guessed agendas

1202
00:50:09,860 --> 00:50:07,500
that sort of thing

1203
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:09,870
so it just shows that we have a lot more

1204
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:12,570
work to do right Chris a lot of work to

1205
00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:12,900
do

1206
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:15,120
yeah and I think hard data monitoring of

1207
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,430
hotspot areas is the a logical place to

1208
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:19,560
start and I know Jan agrees with me on

1209
00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:21,930
that and on some level and obviously

1210
00:50:26,660 --> 00:50:24,360
monitoring activity is important but

1211
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:26,670
getting real-time data you know or on a

1212
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,780
daily basis

1213
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,960
that's scientific in nature and has you

1214
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:32,760
know real numbers attached to it and

1215
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:35,130
will data attached to it to me is the

1216
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,420
obvious way to go

1217
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,400
and even if we attempt to do it and

1218
00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:40,260
we're circumvented by some sort of trick

1219
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:43,080
storage agenda all others the Schurmann

1220
00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:45,510
Rancho skinwalker ranch that speaks

1221
00:50:49,850 --> 00:50:47,880
volumes just in and of itself we're able

1222
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:49,860
to determine a lot from being

1223
00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:53,310
circumvented from our process mm-hmm no

1224
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:54,750
I couldn't agree more you know we're

1225
00:51:00,220 --> 00:50:57,630
entering a time in our history with

1226
00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:00,230
computer technology the internet

1227
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:02,100
everything else that that real-time

1228
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:05,070
monitoring is now much easier to do than

1229
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:06,900
it was 20 years ago or 30 years ago so

1230
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:08,610
there's no reason why we shouldn't be

1231
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:10,860
wiring these areas up like San Luis

1232
00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:13,350
Valley and others to be able to monitor

1233
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:15,060
this stuff from a number of different

1234
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:17,670
perspectives not just video but an audio

1235
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:20,670
but you know magnetometers and you name

1236
00:51:25,550 --> 00:51:22,950
it we should be lammeter x' infrared all

1237
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,560
sorts of stuff yeah we got to do a break

1238
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:27,180
and we got more to come with Jan

1239
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:29,880
horizon-- and gene and Chris you're in

1240
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1292
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1293
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:15,750
get back to the search for the answers

1294
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:18,089
to the UFO mystery want to ask you a few

1295
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:20,280
things about MUFON and organizationally

1296
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,070
some concerns that have come up I guess

1297
00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:25,440
the last year or two and you know what I

1298
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:28,560
mean here so let's go through some of

1299
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:33,359
that and see what happened and what's

1300
00:54:38,359 --> 00:54:36,119
happening going forward so of course we

1301
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:38,369
have the story that one of your state

1302
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:40,650
directors post something on Facebook

1303
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:44,280
that's very very to be blunt white

1304
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:46,530
supremacists in nature and that started

1305
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,000
a furor how did you guys treat that well

1306
00:54:56,359 --> 00:54:54,420
initially the posting that got made was

1307
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:56,369
taken down pretty quickly but me because

1308
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,400
it was done in air honestly we've all

1309
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:01,800
done things that we regret so the

1310
00:55:06,980 --> 00:55:04,530
initial take was that this was a

1311
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,990
personal Facebook post was not done in

1312
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:08,640
any official capacity to MUFON so

1313
00:55:13,819 --> 00:55:11,910
therefore it was a personal thing now we

1314
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,829
did ask that the individual apologize

1315
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:15,359
and he actually did apologize to the

1316
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:16,260
people for doing it

1317
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:17,790
you know I always find it interesting

1318
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:20,970
that that people are quick to point out

1319
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:23,460
other people's faults but but rarely

1320
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:27,450
their own and I go back to John 87 you

1321
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,339
know he was without sin let him cast the

1322
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,640
first stone but ultimately because of

1323
00:55:36,050 --> 00:55:34,500
this particular individuals stature

1324
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:36,060
within MUFON and everything else we

1325
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:37,650
decided that bright thing to do was to

1326
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:39,810
remove him from that position so that

1327
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:41,310
was what that was the action taken I

1328
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:43,710
mean it was done and it's over with and

1329
00:55:49,819 --> 00:55:46,290
behind us I mean there's no place for

1330
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:49,829
for racism or white supremacy and in any

1331
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:52,980
organization and MUFON stands behind the

1332
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:57,210
you know a full Equal Opportunity mantra

1333
00:56:01,760 --> 00:55:59,210
for the organization I mean we have

1334
00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:01,770
anybody in everybody or members of move

1335
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,440
on or who volunteered our part of the

1336
00:56:07,819 --> 00:56:06,480
fund and we appreciate that I can

1337
00:56:08,810 --> 00:56:07,829
identify with that because I'm an

1338
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:08,820
equal-opportunity

1339
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:13,140
the offender I go out of my way to to be

1340
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:16,590
to be it's as offensive as I can be to

1341
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:19,680
everybody when it suits you know the

1342
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:21,270
whole agenda of getting people thinking

1343
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:24,300
but I was a little bit surprised that

1344
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:26,310
the individual in question why we're not

1345
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:27,870
mentioning who it is but go ahead

1346
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:30,330
mention it mention it well John venturi

1347
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:33,570
was walking around Las Vegas kinda like

1348
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,710
he owned the place

1349
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:36,480
glad handy and everybody and stuff I

1350
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:39,510
personally if it had been me that it had

1351
00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:41,700
my pants you know gotten pants like he

1352
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:43,620
did I would have had a hard time showing

1353
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:46,890
up at an international symposium and I'm

1354
00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:48,090
walking around like nothing had happened

1355
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:50,280
I was really surprised about that Jen

1356
00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:52,530
you know anyone can go anywhere they

1357
00:57:00,460 --> 00:56:59,130
wanted what I can tell you about the

1358
00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:00,470
actual incident which might be

1359
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:02,550
interesting for the backstory for those

1360
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,940
who don't know John got a posting I mean

1361
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:07,680
he's big into the whole social media

1362
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:10,560
task I'm not as good at it I'd monitor

1363
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:12,210
it but I don't really engage in all this

1364
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:13,980
stuff because I think it's kind of a lot

1365
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:16,380
of craziness in many cases but not time

1366
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:19,050
wastin yeah I get better things to do

1367
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,090
with my time but he got a posting

1368
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:23,460
basically saying that Netflix was going

1369
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:26,130
to run a show on white genocide

1370
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:29,670
now his grandmother happens to be one of

1371
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:31,290
the individual she's Jewish who lived

1372
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,450
through the Holocaust I don't know what

1373
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:35,520
her direct linkage to the Holocaust was

1374
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:36,750
but she went through the whole class and

1375
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:39,630
so that infuriated him which caused him

1376
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:43,740
to generate a short terse message about

1377
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:46,770
that posting he got and that's what

1378
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:48,810
started this whole furor he realized

1379
00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:51,180
that he got bad information whether his

1380
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:52,440
fake news whatever you want to call it

1381
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:54,180
that the posting wasn't correct the

1382
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:56,310
person who posted it didn't have their

1383
00:58:00,380 --> 00:57:58,170
facts straight so once he figured out he

1384
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:00,390
immediately removed it and apologized

1385
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:03,090
for what he posted so you can go every

1386
00:58:05,810 --> 00:58:04,500
which way but Sunday I mean was it

1387
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:05,820
appropriate to do no wasn't appropriate

1388
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:07,980
you know do you realize that he realized

1389
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:09,420
that did he apologize for guess the

1390
00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:10,500
apologized word I don't know what else

1391
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:11,400
you want to do I guess we could have

1392
00:58:21,830 --> 00:58:18,900
burned him in effigy but at least the

1393
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:21,840
community did my god I've never seen so

1394
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:22,920
many people come out

1395
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:25,980
just fire with all frickin barrels

1396
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,380
blazing boy you know something though I

1397
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:31,440
looked at the messages over it

1398
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:33,660
Kevin Randall's different perspectives

1399
00:58:38,539 --> 00:58:36,660
where he responded and I did not like

1400
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:38,549
the way he came off well I've got some

1401
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,710
information here then I'm gonna present

1402
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:42,960
at the right time and he was just

1403
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,960
shouting off and boasting well and I

1404
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:47,430
just thought when you start taking that

1405
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:51,270
attitude under these circumstances you

1406
00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:54,359
know it doesn't really show him off in a

1407
00:59:00,500 --> 00:58:58,230
good light and I don't want to drag this

1408
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,510
into the realm of politics but in light

1409
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:02,220
of all these expose days that we're

1410
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:04,410
seeing right now with with the sexual

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00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:06,089
predators I don't think there was any

1412
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:08,220
place for that I don't think there's any

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00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:13,079
place for bigotry and racism and right

1414
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:17,280
now I think we're being put into a

1415
00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:20,490
situation culturally where everything's

1416
00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:24,059
getting galvanized into real black and

1417
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:27,299
white sort of stark definitions in terms

1418
00:59:31,099 --> 00:59:29,160
of where you stand on things and I think

1419
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,109
the leadership in this country current

1420
00:59:37,339 --> 00:59:33,599
leadership is really responsible for

1421
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:37,349
this knee-jerk response into real good

1422
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:40,170
glad good bad black white type thinking

1423
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:43,650
and I think it it's really I think it's

1424
00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:45,569
important for everybody to be very very

1425
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:48,150
careful and I'm talking to myself as

1426
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:50,609
well as anybody when we comment on

1427
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:53,400
things that may have innuendos that

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00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:55,530
would that are unintended even or or

1429
01:00:02,329 --> 00:59:58,680
blatant blatant statements that might be

1430
01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:02,339
construed in a way that's uh is really

1431
01:00:06,260 --> 01:00:04,020
gonna come back and pardon the

1432
01:00:07,819 --> 01:00:06,270
expression bitch-slap you so I think

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01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:07,829
everybody should be very very careful

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01:00:13,339 --> 01:00:11,520
right now especially in our field it's

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already controversial enough we don't

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01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:15,119
need to make it more controversial and

1437
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:16,799
someone like a John Ventura should

1438
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:20,430
should really understand that he is in a

1439
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:23,490
position of authority being the state

1440
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:25,079
director and I think it wasn't a

1441
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:26,970
director of several states

1442
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:31,170
I think wouldn't he he was helping us

1443
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:32,700
monitor he's actually developing state

1444
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,049
directors to go into the states but yeah

1445
01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:36,160
yes that's a really

1446
01:00:42,089 --> 01:00:39,190
important the position of power and

1447
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:42,099
responsibility and to have elapsed like

1448
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:48,450
that is really to me it's inexcusable

1449
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:51,609
and and especially now in this day and

1450
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:54,010
age I think he was right at the cusp of

1451
01:00:59,370 --> 01:00:58,210
this now emerging have phases I think

1452
01:01:01,170 --> 01:00:59,380
culturally we're gonna be going through

1453
01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:01,180
and I think it's really important for

1454
01:01:05,819 --> 01:01:03,190
anybody involved in the field of the

1455
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:05,829
paranormal of ufology these very very

1456
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:08,260
controversial subjects that boy we are

1457
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:10,900
really under the microscope now and we

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:12,609
really have to be careful because

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01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:14,650
there's magnifying glasses on all our

1460
01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:16,390
asses right now and we really have to be

1461
01:01:21,029 --> 01:01:17,950
careful and we really have to

1462
01:01:23,370 --> 01:01:21,039
second-guess everything that we do and

1463
01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:23,380
say and and and read things through and

1464
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:26,200
and don't respond in a knee-jerk fashion

1465
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:28,809
they just it couldn't come back I heard

1466
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,480
everybody yeah and I think your comments

1467
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:34,240
too on this black and white are right on

1468
01:01:39,029 --> 01:01:36,609
and in terms of you're seeing people

1469
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:39,039
lining up on opposite it's like there's

1470
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:40,510
no middle ground anymore you're either

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01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:42,220
on the fourth left or you're on the far

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01:01:46,109 --> 01:01:44,020
right er the top or the bottom or

1473
01:01:49,319 --> 01:01:46,119
whatever you want to say but I've never

1474
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:49,329
seen a more polarized at least in the

1475
01:01:52,049 --> 01:01:50,410
United States I don't know if it's like

1476
01:01:54,839 --> 01:01:52,059
this in other countries but absolutely

1477
01:01:57,059 --> 01:01:54,849
agree I've never said I've never seen it

1478
01:01:59,010 --> 01:01:57,069
as polarized as we're seeing though I

1479
01:02:00,779 --> 01:01:59,020
mean even back in the 60s when we had

1480
01:02:02,609 --> 01:02:00,789
race riots and everything other items I

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01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:02,619
just people were at least talking with

1482
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:04,990
each other you know they were that we

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01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:06,510
can't even get conversations going you

1484
01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:12,599
know we can it's really important for

1485
01:02:16,289 --> 01:02:14,920
folks like ourselves who are interested

1486
01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:16,299
in controversial subjects that are

1487
01:02:23,309 --> 01:02:19,720
highly highly contentious in in many

1488
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:23,319
ways to be extra vigilant extra careful

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01:02:27,930 --> 01:02:26,230
about the posture that we take not only

1490
01:02:33,150 --> 01:02:27,940
be careful about what we say but how we

1491
01:02:37,319 --> 01:02:33,160
say it I think is also be a pretty good

1492
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,329
piece of advice absolutely what should

1493
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:39,039
either in there sis there's a saying

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01:02:45,269 --> 01:02:43,210
yeah you know before you point out

1495
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:45,279
someone else's fault you know remove the

1496
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:48,160
plank from your own eye the one thing I

1497
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:49,650
would say that I thought would

1498
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:51,210
could have gone better in this whole

1499
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:54,750
thing was the people who were ranting

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01:02:59,420 --> 01:02:57,420
and raving on social media about this

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01:03:02,660 --> 01:02:59,430
whole thing if they had just picked up

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01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,670
the phone and called John and said John

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01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:05,039
look I read your post and I was really

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01:03:09,170 --> 01:03:07,559
disappointed someone of your caliber to

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have put something like this on and let

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John explain himself and you know maybe

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01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:12,869
there's no explanation for it but but

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the point is there needs to be dialogue

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come up is you've got a I don't know if

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01:08:20,999 --> 01:08:17,949
you call it a committee or something

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01:08:22,530 --> 01:08:21,009
called inner circle at MUFON so far I

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01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:22,540
see it's God doesn't members listed

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:27,210
including yourself former directors and

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01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:30,730
the first question before I ask more

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01:08:35,519 --> 01:08:33,520
about it so people want to know do you

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01:08:39,209 --> 01:08:35,529
have to be a member of the inner circle

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01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,219
to be a possible director of MUFON no

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01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:41,440
these are just donation levels so you

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:43,690
know and we can check the names could be

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gold bronze silver platinum whatever you

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01:08:49,769 --> 01:08:47,920
want to say but basically people who

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01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:49,779
have donated a certain amount of money

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01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:52,089
to the organization over over time or

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01:08:56,099 --> 01:08:54,130
one time I guess they make certain

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:56,109
levels and so we've even discussed

1638
01:09:00,240 --> 01:08:57,850
whether that even needs to be posted but

1639
01:09:03,209 --> 01:09:00,250
no that has nothing to do with you know

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01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:03,219
your stature and move on or what access

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01:09:06,539 --> 01:09:04,750
to information you have I mean everybody

1642
01:09:07,559 --> 01:09:06,549
has the same access so and it certainly

1643
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,569
doesn't have anything to do with whether

1644
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,239
you can come the director of MUFON well

1645
01:09:14,189 --> 01:09:12,159
the only thing is here you have people

1646
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:14,199
here most of the people who have been

1647
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:17,920
director or in this list and this allows

1648
01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:20,770
people who have donated $5,000 or more

1649
01:09:24,419 --> 01:09:22,750
to MUFON correct correct

1650
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:24,429
but that's just because those people are

1651
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,239
pretty generally people who are

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01:09:30,809 --> 01:09:29,679
supportive of the mission of MUFON and

1653
01:09:33,209 --> 01:09:30,819
they want to make sure it's successful

1654
01:09:35,249 --> 01:09:33,219
and they realize that any nonprofit I

1655
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:35,259
mean you know we have offices we have

1656
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:38,170
staff we have phones we've got computers

1657
01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:39,730
it cost money to run all that stuff so

1658
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:43,060
if you're not constantly fundraising and

1659
01:09:45,959 --> 01:09:44,770
growing the membership and doing what

1660
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:45,969
you do there's not much you can do it

1661
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:47,380
there's not much you can achieve as an

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01:09:49,379 --> 01:09:48,790
organization if you have any funding to

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01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,389
do it

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01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,520
I'd love everything to be a complete one

1665
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:53,199
represent volunteer but then nothing

1666
01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:54,730
ever happens I mean we spent the first

1667
01:09:59,550 --> 01:09:57,880
30 years with the organization I yeah

1668
01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:59,560
you collect a lot of paper files you put

1669
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:00,610
them in boxes and they sit in a

1670
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:01,690
warehouse

1671
01:10:06,450 --> 01:10:04,239
does that do nothing so you have to

1672
01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:06,460
action you put action behind it so it

1673
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,620
takes money to do that so these are

1674
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,199
these are nothing but basically donation

1675
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:14,080
levels where people have so and give him

1676
01:10:17,010 --> 01:10:15,400
a little recognition for the fact that

1677
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:17,020
they did put out of their pocket some

1678
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:19,390
money to help support the organization I

1679
01:10:24,689 --> 01:10:22,510
mean it's it's no more that's what it is

1680
01:10:26,189 --> 01:10:24,699
that's I mean there were people trying

1681
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:26,199
to make a big deal out about it it was a

1682
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:29,080
secret society and that I think is my

1683
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:30,670
name inner circle that and I'm not sure

1684
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:32,770
who came up with that name that was kind

1685
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,810
of the thought process behind it but now

1686
01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:37,150
it's just strictly donation levels well

1687
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:39,940
maybe it would serve then to put a

1688
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:43,440
little couple of sentences here okay of

1689
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:45,940
clarification so if people looking at

1690
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:47,380
saying wait a minute what's going on

1691
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:49,690
here we've got people who donate more

1692
01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:50,920
than five thousand dollars to an

1693
01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:52,540
organization which is understandable

1694
01:10:56,729 --> 01:10:54,280
you're a nonprofit corporation you have

1695
01:10:59,610 --> 01:10:56,739
a right certainly to ask for donations

1696
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,620
and it's tax-deductible of course with

1697
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:01,600
Washington we don't know how long that's

1698
01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:04,090
going to last but maybe there should be

1699
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:06,940
some clarification as to that and I

1700
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:08,650
think now because we're in a politically

1701
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:11,110
correct world anything you do as Chris

1702
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:12,910
said is under the microscope and maybe

1703
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:15,540
just look at things like that so that

1704
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:18,790
things are addressed like an example

1705
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,260
people speaking on behalf of the

1706
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:22,960
organization or who are in a position of

1707
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:24,910
authority so just be a little careful

1708
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:27,100
about the things they say because it

1709
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,570
will extend to their private lives

1710
01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:31,360
whether they wanted to or not and that's

1711
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:34,030
also unfortunate and also you know

1712
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:35,290
people look at it's something like a

1713
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:37,810
jay-z night for instance whose I think

1714
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:41,920
one of these larger contributors and you

1715
01:11:47,310 --> 01:11:44,350
know I think James Clarkson brought up a

1716
01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:47,320
point in his widely disseminated letter

1717
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:51,670
of resignation that you know he didn't

1718
01:11:57,420 --> 01:11:55,030
want to be I guess I'm trying to

1719
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:57,430
paraphrase this but but the association

1720
01:12:00,780 --> 01:11:58,690
of someone like that who's highly

1721
01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:00,790
controversial being a Chandler of ratha

1722
01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:03,430
and and all this and and someone who's

1723
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,040
kind of in his neighborhood basically up

1724
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:08,320
there in Washington State you know he

1725
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:11,199
just he felt uncomfortable with the

1726
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:13,210
perception that someone like that maybe

1727
01:12:17,650 --> 01:12:15,230
on some level

1728
01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:17,660
in the shots around there or exerting

1729
01:12:23,890 --> 01:12:20,900
some sort of influence when their

1730
01:12:26,860 --> 01:12:23,900
particular private scenario in their

1731
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:26,870
lives of having kind of a cultish group

1732
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:28,970
around them waiting on the latest

1733
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:31,750
musings of the ten thousand year-old

1734
01:12:36,910 --> 01:12:34,190
adept to name ratha to come through

1735
01:12:39,010 --> 01:12:36,920
jay-z night in that weird funny voice it

1736
01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:39,020
just didn't seem to be something that he

1737
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:41,420
felt comfortable with being associated

1738
01:12:46,750 --> 01:12:43,850
with it would move on now I understand

1739
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:46,760
that just because somebody has a private

1740
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:49,190
life that shouldn't really be held

1741
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:51,350
against them when they're a benefactor

1742
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:54,800
with MUFON I understand that that it's

1743
01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:56,960
kind of apples and oranges but there is

1744
01:13:01,840 --> 01:12:59,270
the issue of perception management going

1745
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:01,850
on here as well I mean how do you how do

1746
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:03,890
you reconcile that I mean what what what

1747
01:13:10,030 --> 01:13:06,920
can you do well if here's here's this

1748
01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:10,040
story it's as simple as this when I took

1749
01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:11,900
over as executive director five years

1750
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:14,630
ago we got a call from an organization

1751
01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:16,450
saying we're holding a conference in

1752
01:13:21,670 --> 01:13:18,740
Washington and we'd like someone from

1753
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:21,680
MUFON to speak at it at the time when it

1754
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:23,750
was I couldn't go so I asked Dave

1755
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:26,780
McDonald my predecessor if he could fly

1756
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:28,820
out and speak to this group I didn't

1757
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,110
know much about the group it turned out

1758
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:32,960
it was a a conference over a weekend

1759
01:13:38,380 --> 01:13:35,840
probably so on this spiritual retreat

1760
01:13:39,820 --> 01:13:38,390
group that was all I knew about it other

1761
01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:39,830
than fact they wanted someone to come

1762
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:40,670
speak for a move on

1763
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:43,610
Dave reached out to James Clarkson and

1764
01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:46,130
invited him to go with them so the two

1765
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:47,420
of them went to the conference Dave

1766
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:51,290
spoke they had a great time and met all

1767
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:53,000
the people met JZ Knight met all these

1768
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:55,430
folks and I even have pictures of him

1769
01:14:01,840 --> 01:13:57,410
having dinner with Jay Z night the two

1770
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:01,850
of them we received a nice check from

1771
01:14:06,910 --> 01:14:05,330
the organization and that was it I mean

1772
01:14:08,350 --> 01:14:06,920
they said thank you for having someone

1773
01:14:09,610 --> 01:14:08,360
who speak we didn't ask him for the

1774
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:09,620
choice just sent us checks so we put

1775
01:14:14,710 --> 01:14:12,490
let's check of the bank and you know I

1776
01:14:18,940 --> 01:14:14,720
I've never met jay-z and I don't even

1777
01:14:23,770 --> 01:14:18,950
know jay-z people need to know that yeah

1778
01:14:26,410 --> 01:14:23,780
it's pretty significant I'm not one to

1779
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:26,420
go point fingers or go make a big deal

1780
01:14:33,759 --> 01:14:32,080
what some people are I don't think it's

1781
01:14:36,009 --> 01:14:33,769
that big of a deal myself personally but

1782
01:14:38,979 --> 01:14:36,019
have you ever seen her channel roms oh

1783
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:38,989
no I haven't okay you should check that

1784
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:42,409
out sometime and then wonder why people

1785
01:14:47,739 --> 01:14:45,260
have maybe have issues with someone like

1786
01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:47,749
that being in considered on some sort of

1787
01:14:56,979 --> 01:14:52,760
inner circle yeah well I mean we've

1788
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:56,989
never spoke and she's never it's like

1789
01:15:00,879 --> 01:14:58,880
well you should talk to her and ask her

1790
01:15:02,529 --> 01:15:00,889
to ask romps or what he thinks of MUFON

1791
01:15:11,709 --> 01:15:02,539
and maybe he has some advice for the

1792
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,719
organization I couldn't resist well

1793
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:13,280
we're gonna channel something right now

1794
01:15:18,910 --> 01:15:15,170
no we're not gonna channel but I think

1795
01:15:21,489 --> 01:15:18,920
you see now Jan that there's a need to

1796
01:15:22,449 --> 01:15:21,499
be circumspect because you're dealing

1797
01:15:24,669 --> 01:15:22,459
with a subject that's already

1798
01:15:26,290 --> 01:15:24,679
controversial there's already the

1799
01:15:30,339 --> 01:15:26,300
perception that you're just a bunch of

1800
01:15:32,259 --> 01:15:30,349
doe-eyed et believers out there and I

1801
01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:32,269
think and when you throw in anything

1802
01:15:36,850 --> 01:15:33,260
about abductions

1803
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:36,860
it gets to be even wackier regardless of

1804
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:39,409
the truth maybe it's and time-traveling

1805
01:15:44,350 --> 01:15:42,920
five-year-olds the Mars and I mean come

1806
01:15:45,759 --> 01:15:44,360
on let's you know and that's a whole

1807
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:45,769
nother subject that I'm sure we're gonna

1808
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:49,130
talk about at some point is where you

1809
01:15:54,879 --> 01:15:51,489
draw the line of presenting information

1810
01:15:59,140 --> 01:15:54,889
that is absolutely you know has no

1811
01:16:02,319 --> 01:15:59,150
provenance has no evidence to back it up

1812
01:16:06,489 --> 01:16:02,329
no proof no documentation no

1813
01:16:09,219 --> 01:16:06,499
corroborating evidence whatsoever and to

1814
01:16:11,049 --> 01:16:09,229
present individuals presenting this type

1815
01:16:12,839 --> 01:16:11,059
of information with the caveat well we

1816
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:12,849
want people to make up their own minds

1817
01:16:19,299 --> 01:16:16,729
to me is highly problematic it added to

1818
01:16:22,660 --> 01:16:19,309
be actually really kind about it and and

1819
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:22,670
and low-key we're gonna pursue that in

1820
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:25,070
our next segment with Jan Tarzan Jean

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01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:28,370
and Chris you're in America

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UFO calm you're listening to the para

1933
01:21:10,979 --> 01:21:02,980
cast the gold standard of paranormal

1934
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:10,989
radio now obviously Chris O'Brien is

1935
01:21:17,490 --> 01:21:15,010
talking here about the 2017 MUFON

1936
01:21:20,339 --> 01:21:17,500
symposium Jan which obviously was

1937
01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:20,349
talking about the so-called secret space

1938
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:24,340
program now in the old days of the UFO

1939
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:27,010
field and didn't always happen there was

1940
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:28,719
this line of demarcation between

1941
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:31,810
so-called scientific ufology and the

1942
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:34,239
whacky part the people who were time

1943
01:21:40,859 --> 01:21:36,570
travelers who met the blond Venetians

1944
01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:40,869
this that and the other thing now do we

1945
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:44,440
see here attempt to merge these

1946
01:21:49,140 --> 01:21:46,570
different factions or what why present

1947
01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:49,150
people who have theories that just don't

1948
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,300
make any logical sense well it was the

1949
01:21:55,799 --> 01:21:54,159
idea behind that whole conference there

1950
01:21:57,629 --> 01:21:55,809
there have been about six books

1951
01:21:59,939 --> 01:21:57,639
published in the last year and a half

1952
01:22:01,290 --> 01:21:59,949
while on the subject of the Seaver space

1953
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:01,300
program so let's go back and

1954
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:05,199
I'm here when I was 10 I saw a craft in

1955
01:22:09,930 --> 01:22:08,409
my backyard 30 feet from me hovering ten

1956
01:22:12,209 --> 01:22:09,940
feet off the ground it was a very

1957
01:22:14,459 --> 01:22:12,219
advanced technological device because it

1958
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:14,469
had no wings no engines no nothing on it

1959
01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:17,110
but it was hovering there and my first

1960
01:22:21,899 --> 01:22:19,150
reaction was that it was man-made

1961
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:21,909
I made that two dot because of the fact

1962
01:22:25,589 --> 01:22:23,770
there was a bolt between a crossbars

1963
01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:25,599
there were the scissoring function on

1964
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:28,150
the landing gear but as I studied that

1965
01:22:32,549 --> 01:22:30,369
craft I could see that it was seamless

1966
01:22:34,770 --> 01:22:32,559
and in no windows no doors and

1967
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:34,780
completely like meld out of one piece of

1968
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:37,630
metal we see these in many reports we

1969
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:40,329
get of these craft that are cited these

1970
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:42,670
days but I can't tell you for certain

1971
01:22:46,169 --> 01:22:45,130
that it was extraterrestrial or where or

1972
01:22:48,839 --> 01:22:46,179
where it came from

1973
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:48,849
of this planet or if it was something we

1974
01:22:57,839 --> 01:22:52,030
built ourselves and that was 1965 now

1975
01:23:00,209 --> 01:22:57,849
fast forward to 1993 and I'm attending a

1976
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:00,219
UCLA lecture for alumni of the

1977
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:02,530
engineering school and Ben rich is

1978
01:23:07,979 --> 01:23:05,770
presenting and his last slide is a black

1979
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,989
disc zipping off in outer space and he

1980
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:10,239
says these words you know we now have

1981
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:12,070
the technology to take e.t home he'd

1982
01:23:15,959 --> 01:23:14,380
made that same presentation in 92 at

1983
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,969
wright-patterson Air Force Base which

1984
01:23:20,609 --> 01:23:17,920
got recorded unfortunately when I was in

1985
01:23:23,970 --> 01:23:20,619
was not recorded but other witnesses

1986
01:23:25,979 --> 01:23:23,980
were there but in private conversation

1987
01:23:27,569 --> 01:23:25,989
afterwards with a group small group of

1988
01:23:30,030 --> 01:23:27,579
people who stayed around to talk to him

1989
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:30,040
he basically said you know we found an

1990
01:23:33,569 --> 01:23:32,050
error in the equation so we now know how

1991
01:23:35,459 --> 01:23:33,579
to travel to the stars and it won't take

1992
01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:35,469
us our lifetime to do it he was pretty

1993
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:37,300
emphatic that that this was where we

1994
01:23:45,620 --> 01:23:42,340
were headed that was 34 years ago so the

1995
01:23:53,939 --> 01:23:45,630
other thing is that the last spy plane

1996
01:23:56,939 --> 01:23:53,949
announced by the Lockheed skunk works in

1997
01:24:00,660 --> 01:23:56,949
83 it was first shown to the public

1998
01:24:04,049 --> 01:24:00,670
during one of the Gulf Wars with Iraq

1999
01:24:07,379 --> 01:24:04,059
and I think 94 maybe 10 years later in

2000
01:24:10,379 --> 01:24:07,389
93 94 was unveiled in the late 1999 the

2001
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:10,389
early 91 I believe yeah but that's going

2002
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:13,690
back almost 20 30 years so so what we've

2003
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:14,690
just done nothing

2004
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:16,370
for 20 or 30 years I don't believe that

2005
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,350
I think that there's been quite a bit of

2006
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,239
stuff done in the last 20 30 years so

2007
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:22,400
this brought up the topic with these all

2008
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:24,530
these books and and this knowledge that

2009
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:27,650
we have in the public domain that is it

2010
01:24:33,340 --> 01:24:31,130
possible that some of these unknowns cuz

2011
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,350
about 30 percent of our cases after

2012
01:24:37,209 --> 01:24:35,840
careful investigation end up in the

2013
01:24:39,459 --> 01:24:37,219
unknown buck which means we can't

2014
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:39,469
identify him as anything could some of

2015
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:42,290
these and I emphasize some because some

2016
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:45,050
of these be our own craft our own

2017
01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:46,850
aircraft our own spacecraft our own

2018
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,190
something and so we decided to put the

2019
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:51,199
theme around the secret space where they

2020
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:53,570
the case for a secret space program as

2021
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:54,800
it turns out many people think there's

2022
01:24:58,270 --> 01:24:56,449
multiple see your space programs going

2023
01:25:00,689 --> 01:24:58,280
on I don't know I mean I that's just one

2024
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:00,699
of the theories is that logical though

2025
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:03,110
that we certainly have a secret space

2026
01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:05,170
program when it comes to spy satellites

2027
01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:07,310
well we certainly have it with regard to

2028
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:08,390
spy satellites but we're talking about

2029
01:25:13,930 --> 01:25:10,550
putting men in space or you know sure

2030
01:25:15,370 --> 01:25:13,940
humans in space bases on Mars and on the

2031
01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:15,380
dark side of the moon and all that but

2032
01:25:22,060 --> 01:25:18,590
Jen you know Ron Ruger yeah I mean ron

2033
01:25:24,939 --> 01:25:22,070
was Aerojet Douglas Aircraft 3540 years

2034
01:25:27,459 --> 01:25:24,949
he worked on Apollo Skylab DSP I mean

2035
01:25:29,050 --> 01:25:27,469
you got a list of a bug black budget

2036
01:25:31,330 --> 01:25:29,060
projects that he was involved with and

2037
01:25:33,939 --> 01:25:31,340
then still has knowledge that he can't

2038
01:25:35,260 --> 01:25:33,949
divulge even today I mean I just went up

2039
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:35,270
to Grand Canyon with him yesterday and

2040
01:25:39,670 --> 01:25:36,770
we actually talked a little bit about

2041
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:39,680
this as we invariably do and one of the

2042
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:41,120
things that he mentioned to me was

2043
01:25:45,310 --> 01:25:43,489
anybody in aerospace knows when there is

2044
01:25:46,990 --> 01:25:45,320
something cool going on because

2045
01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:47,000
everybody's trying to get the same

2046
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,430
exotic materials and when somebody has

2047
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:52,400
the budget to get it everybody else is

2048
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:54,110
jealous and of course knows that

2049
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:56,210
something's going on he says it is a

2050
01:26:01,720 --> 01:25:59,270
very very small fraternity when it comes

2051
01:26:04,420 --> 01:26:01,730
to materials procurement and

2052
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:04,430
technological breakthroughs even and he

2053
01:26:08,110 --> 01:26:06,650
says that you know even though he

2054
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:08,120
doesn't have the kind of security

2055
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:09,710
clearances that a band rich would have

2056
01:26:13,150 --> 01:26:11,930
or someone of that stature in the

2057
01:26:15,070 --> 01:26:13,160
aerospace industry

2058
01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:15,080
he says it's fairly common knowledge

2059
01:26:19,689 --> 01:26:17,030
when new projects come down the pike and

2060
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:19,699
when you mention the the whole concept

2061
01:26:25,930 --> 01:26:23,449
of space fleets and and bases on the

2062
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:25,940
Moon and Mars he just he rolls his eyes

2063
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,770
and goes this is absolute

2064
01:26:32,110 --> 01:26:30,320
fabricated science fiction and I am NOT

2065
01:26:33,940 --> 01:26:32,120
he said I'm not saying that to cover up

2066
01:26:36,700 --> 01:26:33,950
what I know he says it's just it's just

2067
01:26:39,370 --> 01:26:36,710
it's just inconceivable to him that

2068
01:26:41,290 --> 01:26:39,380
people who aren't doing due diligence

2069
01:26:44,530 --> 01:26:41,300
and not looking into this from a

2070
01:26:47,170 --> 01:26:44,540
rational you know aerospace grounded

2071
01:26:48,970 --> 01:26:47,180
point of view he says anybody that has

2072
01:26:50,590 --> 01:26:48,980
any sort of knowledge about about the

2073
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:50,600
aerospace industry knows that this is

2074
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:53,030
just it's impossible there's just not

2075
01:27:00,180 --> 01:26:55,130
enough of the right kind of materials

2076
01:27:03,940 --> 01:27:00,190
going around to possibly allocate to

2077
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:03,950
incredibly you know cost costly projects

2078
01:27:09,010 --> 01:27:05,510
like this without a lot of people

2079
01:27:12,190 --> 01:27:09,020
knowing it and we're getting now just to

2080
01:27:14,740 --> 01:27:12,200
me claiming that I'm five years old they

2081
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:14,750
teleport me to Mars I have a 20 year

2082
01:27:18,730 --> 01:27:16,850
career and then I'm teleported back

2083
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:18,740
through time to five years old and I

2084
01:27:23,410 --> 01:27:20,930
remember the 20 years I mean anybody

2085
01:27:26,710 --> 01:27:23,420
that is allowed to have that story and

2086
01:27:30,610 --> 01:27:26,720
speak on a stage move on to me is a

2087
01:27:34,180 --> 01:27:30,620
major major mistake politically and just

2088
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:34,190
as a head to me to me it's just a way to

2089
01:27:38,380 --> 01:27:35,570
put butts in the seats because these

2090
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:38,390
books that all quote each other are

2091
01:27:43,930 --> 01:27:40,670
incredibly popular right now and people

2092
01:27:47,170 --> 01:27:43,940
like David Wilcock and and others are

2093
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:47,180
making really good money promoting these

2094
01:27:52,810 --> 01:27:50,510
types of I think bad science fiction

2095
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:52,820
those stories and then when you start

2096
01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:55,910
hearing about Cory's kids ritual magic

2097
01:28:00,670 --> 01:27:58,490
and kind of weird cultish type things

2098
01:28:03,190 --> 01:28:00,680
that do not come up in conversations

2099
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:03,200
about secret space programs but are

2100
01:28:09,550 --> 01:28:05,210
attendant to the individuals involved I

2101
01:28:13,630 --> 01:28:09,560
get worried yes so let's look at that

2102
01:28:16,420 --> 01:28:13,640
real quick here we do have data from at

2103
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:16,430
least two data points one being Karl

2104
01:28:22,570 --> 01:28:20,810
Wolfe who in 1966-67 time frame was an

2105
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:22,580
airman second class in the Air Force

2106
01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:26,560
stationed at Langley Air Force Base and

2107
01:28:31,780 --> 01:28:29,510
during one of the lunar orbiter missions

2108
01:28:33,940 --> 01:28:31,790
was asked by his boss to go over to the

2109
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:33,950
NSA headquarters and fix a printer

2110
01:28:38,050 --> 01:28:35,480
because he was part of the photographic

2111
01:28:39,550 --> 01:28:38,060
group he was a technician he thought he

2112
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:39,560
was going over to NASA because he didn't

2113
01:28:43,259 --> 01:28:41,679
know and I say is a 22 year old

2114
01:28:44,339 --> 01:28:43,269
I say didn't mean anything to him so

2115
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:44,349
when he said and I say he thought he

2116
01:28:49,410 --> 01:28:47,650
meant na sa NASA he went over and I

2117
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:49,420
won't go through the whole scene but he

2118
01:28:53,129 --> 01:28:51,610
was pretty impressed the fact that he

2119
01:28:54,989 --> 01:28:53,139
walked in a hangar and it was full of

2120
01:28:58,469 --> 01:28:54,999
workstations with people from all over

2121
01:29:01,620 --> 01:28:58,479
this planet now he's there were Russians

2122
01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:01,630
Chinese Americans all Manning this thing

2123
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:04,380
it was an NSA NSA operation they were

2124
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:06,900
taking the feeds from the lunar orbiter

2125
01:29:11,939 --> 01:29:09,489
cleaning him up before passing him on to

2126
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:11,949
NASA and the public well I'm not even

2127
01:29:17,069 --> 01:29:14,530
sure NASA knew this was one but he was

2128
01:29:18,839 --> 01:29:17,079
led into a cypher locker room led it to

2129
01:29:20,069 --> 01:29:18,849
a printer and as he was looking trying

2130
01:29:22,109 --> 01:29:20,079
to figure how to get the printer moved

2131
01:29:24,179 --> 01:29:22,119
to a place where he could work on it the

2132
01:29:25,709 --> 01:29:24,189
other airman second class who took him

2133
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:25,719
into the cipher lock printer room said

2134
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:28,449
oh look at this we've found bases on the

2135
01:29:34,169 --> 01:29:31,030
moon Carl looked at the photographs he

2136
01:29:37,049 --> 01:29:34,179
saw buildings don't buildings I think

2137
01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:37,059
some other type buildings I know Carl

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personally I've known him for almost 30

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years he's not someone who's delusional

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he saw buildings on the moon the

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backside of the moon that's one day at a

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point and then we've got Donna here well

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I mean you know now she didn't see any

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person herself but she well she saw she

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saw them airbrushing the details out of

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photographs and by the way Carl was he

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at Langley Virginia

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Virginia's well I need to check I know

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yeah reminded me I'd be happy to

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he's infinitely believe well I had a guy

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Wayne Hall and who's one of Stephen

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Greer's witnesses in the original

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disclosure project let's talk about that

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in our next segment with Jeanne and

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Chris and Jan Haar's Ann you're in the

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hi this is James Fox from chasing UFOs

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio Chris was

2263
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talking here about someone he knew and

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about the implications of the topics

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we're talking about Chris well I had

2266
01:35:16,710 --> 01:35:13,270
this guy show up you know a friend of a

2267
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:16,720
friend type thing guy was grew up son of

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01:35:20,580 --> 01:35:19,570
a CIA operative Bremerton Washington he

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01:35:23,310 --> 01:35:20,590
thought his dad was a painting

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01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:23,320
contractor who stumbled in into the

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01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:24,610
knowledge that his dad was something

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01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:27,340
other than that ended up having special

2273
01:35:33,150 --> 01:35:29,650
talents and skills long story short

2274
01:35:36,810 --> 01:35:33,160
ended up logging computer punchcards

2275
01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:36,820
on UFOs doing cattle mutilations in the

2276
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:40,270
Midwest in the early to mid 70s cranium

2277
01:35:46,530 --> 01:35:43,090
and the hangar was a building that was

2278
01:35:49,950 --> 01:35:46,540
able to be hidden holographically at one

2279
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:49,960
point he was shown footage somebody was

2280
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:52,090
showing off to him and showed him

2281
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:55,330
classified footage with russian critic

2282
01:36:00,450 --> 01:35:57,610
writing underneath going over a red

2283
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:00,460
planetary surface there's plenty of

2284
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:02,650
these apocryphal stories but but when it

2285
01:36:08,370 --> 01:36:04,690
comes down to procurements and budgets

2286
01:36:10,140 --> 01:36:08,380
and materials and you know things that

2287
01:36:13,890 --> 01:36:10,150
are really needed to make all this stuff

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01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:13,900
a reality there's a place with the

2289
01:36:17,820 --> 01:36:15,790
stories kind of end and then the reality

2290
01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:17,830
begins how do we know that that people

2291
01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:20,380
aren't shown things you know Bob Lazar

2292
01:36:25,260 --> 01:36:22,300
would be a classic example maybe the guy

2293
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:25,270
was profiled psychologically to to be

2294
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,260
someone that would become a

2295
01:36:30,270 --> 01:36:28,480
whistleblower and let's program this guy

2296
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:30,280
with all sorts of stuff that we know

2297
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:32,530
he's gonna talk about because of his

2298
01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:34,840
psych profile and let's fill his head

2299
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,000
full of stuff and then you know have

2300
01:36:40,410 --> 01:36:39,760
this wonderful disinformation program

2301
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:40,420
out there

2302
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:43,540
seeding knowledge about about whatever

2303
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:46,930
subject you want to dis inform people

2304
01:36:51,630 --> 01:36:49,330
about Richard Doty is another one this

2305
01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:51,640
guy's now he just was on linda house

2306
01:36:55,230 --> 01:36:53,620
show we tried to get him on our show we

2307
01:36:57,290 --> 01:36:55,240
wanted to you know put some hard

2308
01:37:00,150 --> 01:36:57,300
questions to him about his particular

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01:37:01,890 --> 01:37:00,160
experiences will therefore SI and in

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01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:01,900
gave Valdez in the New Mexico State

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01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:02,770
Patrol another

2312
01:37:07,890 --> 01:37:06,070
things with Richard Doty it's still in

2313
01:37:10,890 --> 01:37:07,900
the realm of possibility that enough

2314
01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:10,900
said go ahead okay I think MUFON should

2315
01:37:14,940 --> 01:37:12,760
be at least personally my opinion

2316
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,950
MUFON should be above the fray and that

2317
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:16,480
these types of conferences

2318
01:37:21,570 --> 01:37:18,030
featuring these types of individuals

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01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:21,580
aren't up to the standard of excellence

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01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:27,160
that I would expect from MUFON I just

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understand that you you're going with

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01:37:32,220 --> 01:37:30,910
transit where people are interested in

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01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:32,230
stuff and you want to get butts in the

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seats there are a lot of people there at

2325
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:35,320
that conference the most that I've seen

2326
01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:37,210
in a while so it was a successful

2327
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:39,400
conference correct me if I'm wrong it

2328
01:37:44,130 --> 01:37:41,110
was our most successful conference ever

2329
01:37:48,150 --> 01:37:44,140
yes okay so I'm a little bit concerned

2330
01:37:51,090 --> 01:37:48,160
Jan that you put up some sort of mmm

2331
01:37:54,030 --> 01:37:51,100
loosey-goosey stuff that really can't be

2332
01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:54,040
proven you know of course who's the

2333
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:56,340
gentleman just died the navy guy William

2334
01:38:02,550 --> 01:37:59,440
Tompkins Aachen his story is interesting

2335
01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:02,560
however when you start cross-referencing

2336
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:05,350
all these people's accounts they tend to

2337
01:38:09,210 --> 01:38:07,090
be filling in the blanks of each other's

2338
01:38:10,530 --> 01:38:09,220
stories and they're they're relying on

2339
01:38:12,450 --> 01:38:10,540
details that have already come before

2340
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:12,460
and there's very little new information

2341
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:15,250
like the whole time-traveling thing with

2342
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:16,930
Corey good kind of reminds me of Andrew

2343
01:38:22,650 --> 01:38:20,050
passagio visage Oh Laura Eisenhower

2344
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:22,660
stuff oh I was trained by Ed Ames and

2345
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:25,900
and a brocco bomber Barry Soetoro and

2346
01:38:34,350 --> 01:38:30,000
iron and visage I went to them to Mars

2347
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:34,360
this is beneath MUFON okay in my in my

2348
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:36,610
estimation there's got to be a way for

2349
01:38:42,810 --> 01:38:40,000
you to attract that kind of audience to

2350
01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:42,820
your symposiums without going that extra

2351
01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:45,490
step of legitimizing what these people

2352
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:47,830
have to say because there is no way that

2353
01:38:53,730 --> 01:38:50,530
this can be proven until it can you

2354
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:53,740
can't give them carte blanche as in and

2355
01:38:59,790 --> 01:38:56,110
be signing off on their stories and let

2356
01:39:01,710 --> 01:38:59,800
people decide that's that's not your

2357
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:01,720
role having someone speak at a

2358
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,610
conference and endorsing them were two

2359
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:05,440
completely different things though Chris

2360
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,690
by having to speak you're endorsing them

2361
01:39:11,730 --> 01:39:10,000
in my book well I don't think that's

2362
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:11,740
true I mean if you if you watch the

2363
01:39:15,480 --> 01:39:14,080
promo video on the front of the MUFON

2364
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:15,490
suppose I think it's still there MUFON

2365
01:39:18,270 --> 01:39:16,540
symposium com

2366
01:39:20,370 --> 01:39:18,280
for the that conference I was very

2367
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:20,380
emphatic that we were going to be

2368
01:39:25,110 --> 01:39:22,570
covering the entire waterfront of this

2369
01:39:27,540 --> 01:39:25,120
whole subject area and we started off

2370
01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:27,550
with mainstream scientists you know was

2371
01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:29,860
supposed to be Brandenburg unfortunately

2372
01:39:33,390 --> 01:39:31,960
he had heart surgery the week before but

2373
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:33,400
oh wow yeah I know that is he all right

2374
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:35,650
yeah he's doing much better thank you

2375
01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:38,050
yes definitely but we had James Woodward

2376
01:39:42,210 --> 01:39:40,120
from James Woodward's very interesting

2377
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:42,220
yeah and then we and then we went into

2378
01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:44,170
the beautiful researchers like mark

2379
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,780
McCandlish now mark you know I I just

2380
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:48,880
think the world of Mark and also Michael

2381
01:39:52,860 --> 01:39:51,010
shred I mean that these two guys have

2382
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:52,870
been involved in this field for cash

2383
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:54,730
since the beginning of time Wallace yeah

2384
01:39:59,610 --> 01:39:57,490
and they've you know at least in the

2385
01:40:01,860 --> 01:39:59,620
case of Michael shred I mean he has come

2386
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:01,870
and crawled through the Stringfield

2387
01:40:06,690 --> 01:40:04,480
files in our cases and and just a

2388
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:06,700
tremendous researcher and both of them

2389
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,930
have their own stories to tell from the

2390
01:40:11,070 --> 01:40:09,280
research that they've done in case of

2391
01:40:14,460 --> 01:40:11,080
mark McCandlish he was an illustrator

2392
01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:14,470
for the aerospace industry and in that

2393
01:40:18,690 --> 01:40:17,080
capacity got to see a lot of things I'm

2394
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:18,700
sure he's not even today allowed to talk

2395
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,130
about but he also had conversations with

2396
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:23,920
people who told him some of the stuff

2397
01:40:27,090 --> 01:40:25,570
that was going on so he that's how he

2398
01:40:29,190 --> 01:40:27,100
comes up with the information he's got

2399
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:29,200
on the arv I guess you know and these

2400
01:40:34,380 --> 01:40:31,390
types of things another speaker was Tom

2401
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:34,390
Keller Tom actually was here in Orange

2402
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:36,550
County just two nights ago speaking it

2403
01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:38,170
related the story when he lived in

2404
01:40:42,450 --> 01:40:41,200
Lancaster knew Gary Scholes and some of

2405
01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:42,460
the guys out there he used to go out to

2406
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,350
area 51 but when he was in Lancaster he

2407
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:47,440
just through a friend met a gentleman

2408
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:51,280
who was a test pilot who landed at I

2409
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:53,710
think it was that in Palmdale I believe

2410
01:40:58,370 --> 01:40:56,800
it was but anyway he got off his jet and

2411
01:41:00,690 --> 01:40:58,380
was looking for a restroom and

2412
01:41:03,690 --> 01:41:00,700
accidentally stumbled into a hangar

2413
01:41:05,010 --> 01:41:03,700
where there were drawings of flying

2414
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:05,020
saucers and there was there was there

2415
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:06,730
was the mechanical drawings I mean

2416
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:09,310
detailed drawings they were building a

2417
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:11,050
flying saucer out in Palmdale well I

2418
01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:12,190
think it believed it was a Lockheed

2419
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:15,550
skunkworks a sight out there but so we

2420
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:17,770
we have these cases of people now can

2421
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:19,150
you say well show me the drawing I

2422
01:41:23,370 --> 01:41:21,070
there's no drawing there I mean no one

2423
01:41:25,860 --> 01:41:23,380
has the drawing you know this particular

2424
01:41:28,230 --> 01:41:25,870
person was grabbed by the security

2425
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:28,240
guards and interrogated to find out what

2426
01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:30,000
he knew and what he didn't know and

2427
01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:31,380
for he was released he was told that he

2428
01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:34,140
could never repeat anything he'd seen in

2429
01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:36,540
that location but but we had a lot of

2430
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:38,310
speakers there I mean there were 12

2431
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,530
speakers and you're going back to two of

2432
01:41:44,270 --> 01:41:42,000
the speakers but there were 10 others

2433
01:41:46,580 --> 01:41:44,280
that we started with a very scientific

2434
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:46,590
part of this thing we went through the

2435
01:41:50,570 --> 01:41:48,600
investigative part of it it had people

2436
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:50,580
talk to that and then yeah on the back

2437
01:41:53,180 --> 01:41:52,110
end I even said in the video I said look

2438
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:53,190
we're gonna have some very speculative

2439
01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:54,570
stuff here but you you know you need to

2440
01:41:57,500 --> 01:41:56,190
listen to it and decide if it's for you

2441
01:41:59,090 --> 01:41:57,510
for a lot of people that didn't fit

2442
01:42:00,320 --> 01:41:59,100
that's fine I mean you know I don't know

2443
01:42:03,230 --> 01:42:00,330
if anyone's ever been to Mars or not I

2444
01:42:05,690 --> 01:42:03,240
have no idea but we thought because it

2445
01:42:07,190 --> 01:42:05,700
was part of the entire conversation that

2446
01:42:09,620 --> 01:42:07,200
every people should be able to see the

2447
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:09,630
whole thing all the way through create

2448
01:42:16,730 --> 01:42:14,490
as they say a bad feeling for the entire

2449
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:16,740
thing I mean if you have 10 people who

2450
01:42:22,670 --> 01:42:19,980
were solid scientific and two wacky

2451
01:42:24,740 --> 01:42:22,680
people you know that the critics the

2452
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:24,750
press they'll look at the wacky people

2453
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:26,730
and say that's typical look at this

2454
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:29,940
convention yet people here who travel

2455
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:31,890
through time they're like John Carter of

2456
01:42:37,190 --> 01:42:34,410
Mars where they sit in one place and

2457
01:42:39,170 --> 01:42:37,200
they go to Mars by astral projection or

2458
01:42:40,670 --> 01:42:39,180
something whatever it is that's what

2459
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:40,680
gets the attention that's why you have

2460
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:42,900
to be politically correct yeah actually

2461
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:45,300
it had quite the opposite effect I had

2462
01:42:49,190 --> 01:42:47,730
people walking up to me who when years

2463
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,200
passed that they would never have

2464
01:42:52,730 --> 01:42:51,360
anything to do with MUFON they were they

2465
01:42:54,770 --> 01:42:52,740
were a beautiful researchers and they

2466
01:42:56,750 --> 01:42:54,780
were at the event and they were thanking

2467
01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:56,760
me for having the open-mindedness to

2468
01:43:01,340 --> 01:42:58,830
allow the conversation to happen you

2469
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:01,350
can't shut down conversation I mean you

2470
01:43:06,590 --> 01:43:04,770
have to allow people discuss things yeah

2471
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:06,600
we lost a handful of people who are very

2472
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:08,610
conservative in in their viewpoints on

2473
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:10,410
things but we picked up hundreds more

2474
01:43:15,470 --> 01:43:13,650
who were open-minded enough to say I'll

2475
01:43:18,230 --> 01:43:15,480
listen to I have to believe it I don't

2476
01:43:19,370 --> 01:43:18,240
have to the sign of intelligence mine is

2477
01:43:21,260 --> 01:43:19,380
being able to listen some and not

2478
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:21,270
necessarily take it to be truth but just

2479
01:43:26,060 --> 01:43:25,170
listen to it so look it was a one-time

2480
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:26,070
event

2481
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,600
you know we pick a different topic this

2482
01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:30,000
next symposium in 2018 is gonna be about

2483
01:43:33,710 --> 01:43:32,460
UFOs extraterrestrials in the future of

2484
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:33,720
humanity and we're gonna have a bunch of

2485
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:35,370
scientists on it and other very credible

2486
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:37,290
people that I think you're gonna be very

2487
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:40,080
interested in coming and hearing so to

2488
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:41,340
me this is all I'd be interested in

2489
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,330
coming and presenting

2490
01:43:51,290 --> 01:43:43,920
because boy I got a presentation on that

2491
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:51,300
level well the yeah you know look

2492
01:43:56,420 --> 01:43:54,000
criticism is well taken I appreciate it

2493
01:43:58,880 --> 01:43:56,430
I've had you know other input from

2494
01:44:00,650 --> 01:43:58,890
different people it was a one-time event

2495
01:44:02,180 --> 01:44:00,660
and you know it's come and it's passed

2496
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,190
and it's time to move on and get to the

2497
01:44:06,110 --> 01:44:04,320
future the bottom line is that you

2498
01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:06,120
really stirred up a bit of a hornet's

2499
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:08,460
nest and and a little bit of controversy

2500
01:44:12,590 --> 01:44:10,800
is not necessarily a bad thing you

2501
01:44:15,110 --> 01:44:12,600
filled a lot I was very impressed with

2502
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:15,120
the turnout to add and you know I think

2503
01:44:18,890 --> 01:44:17,370
the subject matter sometimes you have to

2504
01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:18,900
jerk people out of their catharsis and

2505
01:44:26,150 --> 01:44:21,510
their conservative viewpoints you know

2506
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:26,160
possibly to get people to wake up and

2507
01:44:31,970 --> 01:44:28,650
take notice and and get involved you

2508
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:31,980
know all it takes really is is like a 73

2509
01:44:37,220 --> 01:44:35,130
wave to to you know get a lot of people

2510
01:44:39,470 --> 01:44:37,230
energized and jazzed about the subject

2511
01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:39,480
again and and and get their minds off

2512
01:44:46,910 --> 01:44:43,100
Trump and North Korea and these other

2513
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:46,920
pressing terrestrial issues and you know

2514
01:44:50,930 --> 01:44:49,170
I think things tend to contract a little

2515
01:44:53,660 --> 01:44:50,940
bit when when domestic and foreign

2516
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:53,670
issues get really intense and then when

2517
01:44:58,700 --> 01:44:56,370
things get a little bit more complacent

2518
01:45:01,100 --> 01:44:58,710
and loosey goosey and and comfortable

2519
01:45:04,340 --> 01:45:01,110
then people their minds start to wander

2520
01:45:07,190 --> 01:45:04,350
a little bit we're gonna continue with

2521
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:07,200
our discussions with Jan Harz an and get

2522
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,490
back since we've dealt with the

2523
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:10,800
organizational issues get back to the

2524
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:12,930
research and see where we're going with

2525
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:16,410
gene Chris and Jan you're in the para

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standard of paranormal radio and now

2582
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:03,450
here's Jane Steinberg Jan that did one

2583
01:48:08,810 --> 01:48:05,760
of our best ever okay you know you're

2584
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:08,820
ranked way up there with such people as

2585
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:11,130
Nick Redfern Nick Redfern yeah Nick's

2586
01:48:15,950 --> 01:48:13,650
way up there we haven't figured out

2587
01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:15,960
where yet I think he's on Mars there

2588
01:48:19,850 --> 01:48:17,400
let's continue here let's get back to

2589
01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:19,860
the research I think we've got Jan's

2590
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:24,240
views and I know our listeners are gonna

2591
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:26,850
be pro and con about it we have forms it

2592
01:48:32,180 --> 01:48:29,130
formed not the power cast comm where you

2593
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:32,190
can indicate whether you feel MUFON is

2594
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:35,850
on the right track to pursue as they say

2595
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,690
a wider outreach in their conference to

2596
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:41,280
try something and some of the

2597
01:48:44,810 --> 01:48:42,690
organizational issues we dealt with

2598
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:44,820
let's have your opinion about those

2599
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:46,890
things and we know what's gonna happen

2600
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:49,650
I'll tell you something Jan we had on

2601
01:48:56,900 --> 01:48:53,520
the show o3 is a three four years ago

2602
01:49:00,640 --> 01:48:56,910
now dr. David Jacobs and he came out

2603
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,650
with one of his books about possible

2604
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:03,840
alien-human hybrids and hubris and

2605
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:06,330
everything like that so he had a problem

2606
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:08,250
obviously with the UFO abductees who was

2607
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,170
attacking him and his credibility and

2608
01:49:15,020 --> 01:49:12,960
everything and I've never seen such a

2609
01:49:20,570 --> 01:49:15,030
polarized reaction

2610
01:49:24,350 --> 01:49:20,580
to his show and some said we were too

2611
01:49:27,380 --> 01:49:24,360
kind to him he said Chris was badgering

2612
01:49:30,590 --> 01:49:27,390
him dr. Jacobs towards the end of the

2613
01:49:32,510 --> 01:49:30,600
show and it's like people heard what

2614
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,520
they wanted to hear and we were trying

2615
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:34,320
to be very balanced about the subject

2616
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,610
because they're people who have

2617
01:49:40,580 --> 01:49:37,440
different viewpoints about abductions

2618
01:49:44,090 --> 01:49:40,590
and I think Chris and I regard the views

2619
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,100
of dr. Jacobs as more very extreme in

2620
01:49:49,700 --> 01:49:47,520
one end that you know we're being taken

2621
01:49:51,170 --> 01:49:49,710
over and if we are being taken over it

2622
01:49:54,290 --> 01:49:51,180
doesn't matter it's too late for us

2623
01:49:56,780 --> 01:49:54,300
anyway so I mean if you can believe the

2624
01:49:58,350 --> 01:49:56,790
sort of silent invasion that's implied

2625
01:50:00,600 --> 01:49:58,360
by this theory

2626
01:50:03,060 --> 01:50:00,610
all that means here is that there's

2627
01:50:05,550 --> 01:50:03,070
probably no hope for Humanity which may

2628
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:05,560
be something we already can agree upon

2629
01:50:09,450 --> 01:50:07,449
with all the crazy things that have been

2630
01:50:14,220 --> 01:50:09,460
happening in recent years but what this

2631
01:50:17,939 --> 01:50:14,230
signifies is that these beings will one

2632
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:17,949
day take us over or we will live and die

2633
01:50:23,820 --> 01:50:21,250
and never know about the level of their

2634
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:23,830
control have I made you paranoid enough

2635
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:27,010
listeners why worry about it what me

2636
01:50:32,580 --> 01:50:29,530
worry like they say in Mad Magazine but

2637
01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:32,590
the point here is that you can see how

2638
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:35,020
polarized that was thousands of messages

2639
01:50:42,570 --> 01:50:40,210
in our forums oh they blew up there are

2640
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:42,580
people who still hate me for viewpoints

2641
01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:45,850
I don't even have people that hate you

2642
01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:47,710
for even having Jacobs on this show it's

2643
01:50:53,609 --> 01:50:51,100
Rach exactly and we you know we've had

2644
01:50:56,490 --> 01:50:53,619
some pretty controversial people I

2645
01:50:58,320 --> 01:50:56,500
didn't think he'd be one of them but we

2646
01:51:01,490 --> 01:50:58,330
had Michael horn on a couple of times

2647
01:51:05,209 --> 01:51:01,500
early in the history of the power.yes

2648
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:05,219
we've had quite a few people that have

2649
01:51:10,590 --> 01:51:08,170
viewpoints that a lot of us would not

2650
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:10,600
even accept but we gave him their say

2651
01:51:15,620 --> 01:51:12,760
and then we told them what we thought we

2652
01:51:19,919 --> 01:51:15,630
had one guest who had a history of

2653
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:19,929
supposedly repurposing copyrighted

2654
01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:22,449
material and he made all sorts of claims

2655
01:51:27,180 --> 01:51:25,600
about being quoted in newspapers and

2656
01:51:28,979 --> 01:51:27,190
when we tried to confirm it after about

2657
01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:28,989
a half hour an hour on the show he hung

2658
01:51:37,010 --> 01:51:32,980
up on us a guy named Bill Nell anyone

2659
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:37,020
remember him oh yeah good old bill no

2660
01:51:43,770 --> 01:51:39,489
I'm sure he'll show up again out of the

2661
01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:43,780
ether 'he's our latest vampire will show

2662
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,409
up from the earth so you can see where

2663
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:52,480
things get pretty polarized in this

2664
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:54,610
field and even with the best of

2665
01:51:59,520 --> 01:51:57,010
intentions presenting someone that we

2666
01:52:03,780 --> 01:51:59,530
know has something screwy to say they're

2667
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:03,790
going to attack us and therefore in this

2668
01:52:10,890 --> 01:52:07,810
field it's hard sometimes to balance it

2669
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,900
and we don't care in the power cast we

2670
01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:11,920
could be

2671
01:52:16,740 --> 01:52:14,860
very unpolitical e correct which is part

2672
01:52:18,930 --> 01:52:16,750
of a reputation we have the second show

2673
01:52:21,180 --> 01:52:18,940
as our listeners know called after the

2674
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:21,190
power cast where we don't even have

2675
01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:25,570
restrictions on language yeah boy yeah

2676
01:52:34,460 --> 01:52:29,470
that's I have fun sometimes Jen I bet

2677
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:34,470
you do I try I try to keep it you know

2678
01:52:40,530 --> 01:52:37,930
reasonable and you know kind of a nice

2679
01:52:42,810 --> 01:52:40,540
decorum but sometimes it gets rather

2680
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:42,820
carried away and that's that's that's

2681
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:46,060
fun it's entertainment how long we know

2682
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:47,590
each other Chris we've known each other

2683
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:52,810
for years right uh 20 let's see I first

2684
01:52:59,520 --> 01:52:57,040
spoke there in 98 so 19 years yeah

2685
01:53:02,580 --> 01:52:59,530
that's amazing and you know time in the

2686
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:02,590
connection we had was my wife her

2687
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:03,970
parents both grew up in the San Luis

2688
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:09,280
Valley exactly yeah another one he grew

2689
01:53:21,570 --> 01:53:18,300
he still has relatives there oh yeah J

2690
01:53:24,270 --> 01:53:21,580
Widener who I've known kind of sort of a

2691
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,280
loose associate ship if you will over

2692
01:53:30,510 --> 01:53:27,280
the years I'm talking to Jay one one day

2693
01:53:31,950 --> 01:53:30,520
and he says he mentions his house in the

2694
01:53:33,810 --> 01:53:31,960
70s I said wait a minute I didn't know

2695
01:53:35,220 --> 01:53:33,820
you lived there goes oh yeah I've had

2696
01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:35,230
property there for quite a while and

2697
01:53:39,810 --> 01:53:36,600
I've got a house there and everything

2698
01:53:43,590 --> 01:53:39,820
Robert Hastings moved to Villa Grove in

2699
01:53:46,350 --> 01:53:43,600
the San Luis Valley yeah I guess my work

2700
01:53:48,150 --> 01:53:46,360
has had a well the real estate agents

2701
01:53:50,820 --> 01:53:48,160
around crest owned really liked me in

2702
01:53:52,740 --> 01:53:50,830
the late 90s because when those books

2703
01:53:55,500 --> 01:53:52,750
came out boy everybody was coming in and

2704
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:55,510
of course they never told me that I was

2705
01:54:02,520 --> 01:53:58,000
you know an unofficial bird dog for them

2706
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:02,530
and but it's it's a wonderful place and

2707
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:06,760
I'm still considering you know ways to

2708
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:08,770
try to get people to follow through with

2709
01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:10,810
their with their promises on getting

2710
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:12,460
this camera project going up there I'm

2711
01:54:16,530 --> 01:54:14,530
think I'm just gonna have to move there

2712
01:54:19,710 --> 01:54:16,540
for six months and and do it all myself

2713
01:54:21,690 --> 01:54:19,720
or something it's just I'm just beating

2714
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:21,700
my head against a brick wall we're gonna

2715
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:23,530
have to come up with a budget and and

2716
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:25,210
put these people under contract

2717
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:29,050
to to do things just beside myself

2718
01:54:33,630 --> 01:54:31,570
trying to figure out how to do it we

2719
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:33,640
almost get there so many times and then

2720
01:54:37,110 --> 01:54:36,010
the weather you know the cold kicks in

2721
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:37,120
if you don't get it done by November

2722
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:40,210
you're sunk and it's just I'm just so

2723
01:54:44,610 --> 01:54:42,250
tired of this we've had so many great

2724
01:54:47,850 --> 01:54:44,620
events that we would have been able to

2725
01:54:50,459 --> 01:54:47,860
get real scientific data from these

2726
01:54:53,010 --> 01:54:50,469
events because it was right in our you

2727
01:54:55,410 --> 01:54:53,020
know front row seat the camera camera

2728
01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:55,420
project would have had and it's just

2729
01:55:00,510 --> 01:54:57,340
really extremely frustrating because I

2730
01:55:02,370 --> 01:55:00,520
do really think that hot spot areas you

2731
01:55:04,770 --> 01:55:02,380
know it's by mantra hotspot areas are

2732
01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:04,780
where we should be concentrating or you

2733
01:55:11,220 --> 01:55:07,510
know our resources our hardware our

2734
01:55:15,570 --> 01:55:11,230
expertise our talent our instrumentation

2735
01:55:17,550 --> 01:55:15,580
absolutely especially instrumentation

2736
01:55:21,229 --> 01:55:17,560
and you know once we get to a position

2737
01:55:24,330 --> 01:55:21,239
where we have four different types of

2738
01:55:27,060 --> 01:55:24,340
monitoring you know the sets of

2739
01:55:30,540 --> 01:55:27,070
monitoring information you can write a

2740
01:55:33,060 --> 01:55:30,550
scientific paper in any one of several

2741
01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:33,070
disciplines and that's gonna be very

2742
01:55:37,979 --> 01:55:35,950
very difficult to for academia and the

2743
01:55:41,070 --> 01:55:37,989
scientific community to ignore they'll

2744
01:55:42,780 --> 01:55:41,080
try but it's gonna be difficult well but

2745
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:42,790
I think I think that's what's gonna help

2746
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:44,800
create some breakthroughs in this thing

2747
01:55:52,260 --> 01:55:47,890
you know we had a case recently in the

2748
01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:52,270
last year or so where the individual was

2749
01:55:58,130 --> 01:55:55,510
able to get on videotape the pulsing

2750
01:56:01,290 --> 01:55:58,140
from the engines of the craft and

2751
01:56:02,610 --> 01:56:01,300
through that determined that the craft

2752
01:56:05,310 --> 01:56:02,620
that particular craft that was seen in

2753
01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:05,320
this case in this particular case what

2754
01:56:11,190 --> 01:56:07,510
had counter-rotating electromagnets

2755
01:56:12,630 --> 01:56:11,200
being pulsed at 123 Hertz now I've

2756
01:56:15,450 --> 01:56:12,640
talked to physicists about their they

2757
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:15,460
they all kind of scoff at it but but you

2758
01:56:21,150 --> 01:56:17,530
know somebody's able to levitate these

2759
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:21,160
craft without having any you know other

2760
01:56:24,660 --> 01:56:22,810
visible means of propulsion other than

2761
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:24,670
something out of a field propulsion

2762
01:56:28,140 --> 01:56:26,890
system so that's where the breakthroughs

2763
01:56:29,550 --> 01:56:28,150
will come from and from a scientific

2764
01:56:30,690 --> 01:56:29,560
standpoint you know there's other people

2765
01:56:32,130 --> 01:56:30,700
out there who like could care less about

2766
01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:32,140
how the craft work and they want to

2767
01:56:36,479 --> 01:56:34,150
study though the human side of things or

2768
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:36,489
the the sociological side of things who

2769
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:38,050
are who are these beings why they here

2770
01:56:40,799 --> 01:56:38,800
how

2771
01:56:42,750 --> 01:56:40,809
we gonna interact with him are we that's

2772
01:56:43,439 --> 01:56:42,760
all relevant it's all relevant yeah

2773
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:43,449
exactly

2774
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:46,690
but science scientists in academics are

2775
01:56:52,109 --> 01:56:49,570
are gonna this is the one thing that you

2776
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:52,119
have to prove is a reality or there's

2777
01:56:57,180 --> 01:56:54,489
there's a something that exists before

2778
01:56:59,520 --> 01:56:57,190
they will show an interest if somebody

2779
01:57:01,620 --> 01:56:59,530
came up with a 5% chance that they would

2780
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:01,630
come up with a cure of cancer billions

2781
01:57:07,620 --> 01:57:04,570
of dollars would be allocated to that if

2782
01:57:09,870 --> 01:57:07,630
there was a 5% chance that 5% of UFO

2783
01:57:12,510 --> 01:57:09,880
sightings are true unknowns and and

2784
01:57:14,910 --> 01:57:12,520
worthy of study we have to prove that to

2785
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:14,920
be the case before we can get in any

2786
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:17,650
sort of acceptance from from the

2787
01:57:22,410 --> 01:57:20,170
mainstream here's something else we have

2788
01:57:24,750 --> 01:57:22,420
to proof and we'll know about in just a

2789
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moment with Gene Chris and Jan Harz an

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the podcast.com alright let's go back

2898
02:02:06,390 --> 02:02:04,360
again to the research that we're

2899
02:02:08,220 --> 02:02:06,400
covering here and chris is talking of

2900
02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:08,230
course about the work on the San Luis

2901
02:02:12,780 --> 02:02:10,480
Valley camera project but before we go

2902
02:02:15,629 --> 02:02:12,790
on Chris as of today we haven't heard

2903
02:02:17,339 --> 02:02:15,639
from the other projects UFO data and any

2904
02:02:21,209 --> 02:02:17,349
of the other ones that were supposed to

2905
02:02:23,970 --> 02:02:21,219
set monitoring facilities have we no

2906
02:02:26,580 --> 02:02:23,980
news on the UFO data front I haven't

2907
02:02:28,890 --> 02:02:26,590
heard really hide nor hair from Marc

2908
02:02:31,859 --> 02:02:28,900
Dantonio or Douglas Trumbull about where

2909
02:02:33,959 --> 02:02:31,869
they're at with you photog of course we

2910
02:02:37,260 --> 02:02:33,969
have has Delon it's still chugging along

2911
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:37,270
and has been for 30 plus years I haven't

2912
02:02:41,700 --> 02:02:39,130
heard of any real new developments on

2913
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:41,710
that particular front again as Jen

2914
02:02:48,270 --> 02:02:44,590
pointed out earlier we are at a point in

2915
02:02:50,220 --> 02:02:48,280
history and in the development curve in

2916
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:50,230
technological development curve that we

2917
02:02:56,399 --> 02:02:53,650
have access and you know there's gear

2918
02:02:59,040 --> 02:02:56,409
out there that's affordable that we can

2919
02:03:01,979 --> 02:02:59,050
use and utilize as long as well-trained

2920
02:03:05,339 --> 02:03:01,989
individuals you know dedicated to

2921
02:03:08,040 --> 02:03:05,349
monitoring these this equipment so we

2922
02:03:10,410 --> 02:03:08,050
have the ability and then we've ID'd I

2923
02:03:12,810 --> 02:03:10,420
think the spots where this gear could be

2924
02:03:16,109 --> 02:03:12,820
set up and with some due diligence and

2925
02:03:18,359 --> 02:03:16,119
people tasked with you know obviously

2926
02:03:20,910 --> 02:03:18,369
doing the work properly I think that

2927
02:03:22,859 --> 02:03:20,920
this is the obvious step forward and I

2928
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:22,869
know Jan agrees because MUFON has been

2929
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:25,210
very very supportive enthusiastically

2930
02:03:31,530 --> 02:03:28,690
supportive and you know one one very a

2931
02:03:33,180 --> 02:03:31,540
wonderful you know dedicated member of

2932
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:33,190
MUFON there in California is but

2933
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:34,960
extremely instrumental in all the

2934
02:03:38,430 --> 02:03:36,250
progress that we've been able to make

2935
02:03:41,069 --> 02:03:38,440
with our project and you know we now

2936
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:41,079
have workable detect motion record our

2937
02:03:45,959 --> 02:03:43,690
motion and triangulate to motion is now

2938
02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:45,969
the project that Ron orach is now

2939
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:49,449
engaged in allowing multiple cameras to

2940
02:03:55,319 --> 02:03:52,570
be involved in a a you know the tracking

2941
02:03:57,600 --> 02:03:55,329
program but we do have the software now

2942
02:04:00,299 --> 02:03:57,610
and it's it's it's been developed from

2943
02:04:02,580 --> 02:04:00,309
from the ground up and it's very very

2944
02:04:04,690 --> 02:04:02,590
exciting and extremely frustrating and

2945
02:04:09,370 --> 02:04:04,700
it's not operational

2946
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:09,380
oh well you know and that's a good point

2947
02:04:15,220 --> 02:04:11,530
because Iran is just an incredible

2948
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:15,230
engineer he came out of the industry and

2949
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:17,930
and as you know from Wayne Halla back

2950
02:04:21,250 --> 02:04:19,520
and that the days when you were involved

2951
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:21,260
with helping put that together the big

2952
02:04:24,370 --> 02:04:22,730
the big problem we had was being able to

2953
02:04:26,710 --> 02:04:24,380
track these objects across the sky with

2954
02:04:29,020 --> 02:04:26,720
the camera I Ron solved that that

2955
02:04:30,970 --> 02:04:29,030
problem with some software that he had

2956
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:30,980
personally written and I was able to

2957
02:04:36,190 --> 02:04:33,710
meet with Ron not too long ago and we we

2958
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,200
actually got him some funding to put one

2959
02:04:40,930 --> 02:04:38,480
of these cameras as a test camera in a

2960
02:04:43,090 --> 02:04:40,940
location and if we get this to work we

2961
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:43,100
may be able to get this funding to do it

2962
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:44,690
in another location so but you know

2963
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:47,690
probably just start simple and start in

2964
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:49,250
one location there's no better location

2965
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:50,650
that I know of than the San Luis Valley

2966
02:04:56,860 --> 02:04:54,410
just start monitoring because from what

2967
02:04:58,720 --> 02:04:56,870
my wife's relatives tell me if they're

2968
02:05:00,970 --> 02:04:58,730
seeing stuff all the time out there it's

2969
02:05:02,770 --> 02:05:00,980
commonplace in pee it's so common that

2970
02:05:04,990 --> 02:05:02,780
it's part of their reality and people

2971
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:05,000
don't think it's a big deal there it

2972
02:05:09,490 --> 02:05:07,970
just still blows my mind yeah you know I

2973
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:09,500
use the example of the farmer that

2974
02:05:14,290 --> 02:05:11,450
grabbed me in the supermarket and said

2975
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:14,300
Chris oh I'm glad I ran into you I meant

2976
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:15,650
to call you but I know you're busy I

2977
02:05:18,670 --> 02:05:17,330
didn't want to bug you but you should

2978
02:05:22,090 --> 02:05:18,680
have seen the thing that landed in my

2979
02:05:23,860 --> 02:05:22,100
back 40 I don't like what and you didn't

2980
02:05:26,290 --> 02:05:23,870
call me because why oh I know you're

2981
02:05:28,270 --> 02:05:26,300
busy you know I know you got so much

2982
02:05:30,370 --> 02:05:28,280
going on and I figured I'd run into you

2983
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:30,380
at some point and it was like because it

2984
02:05:33,340 --> 02:05:32,330
landed in his butt you know is back 40

2985
02:05:35,410 --> 02:05:33,350
it was a big deal

2986
02:05:37,150 --> 02:05:35,420
but when stuff flies by people go oh

2987
02:05:40,420 --> 02:05:37,160
there's another one you're right there

2988
02:05:42,130 --> 02:05:40,430
I'm very nonchalant it's like it's

2989
02:05:45,820 --> 02:05:42,140
normal to have a flying saucer sitting

2990
02:05:47,350 --> 02:05:45,830
on the roadway blocking your way you

2991
02:05:49,870 --> 02:05:47,360
know will you tell that to people you

2992
02:05:52,330 --> 02:05:49,880
know Jim they look at you like what do

2993
02:05:54,610 --> 02:05:52,340
you not get out of here they think

2994
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:54,620
you're just making this stuff up but I'm

2995
02:05:59,920 --> 02:05:57,290
telling you it's go ahead and move there

2996
02:06:01,090 --> 02:05:59,930
for a while you'll spend six months well

2997
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:01,100
you remember you remember when John

2998
02:06:05,860 --> 02:06:02,650
Schuessler was the executive director

2999
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:05,870
course he was one of my first fans yeah

3000
02:06:10,900 --> 02:06:08,810
well yeah but he used to run all the

3001
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:10,910
symposiums up in Denver back back in the

3002
02:06:15,250 --> 02:06:13,370
day and and so I got to travel there

3003
02:06:16,930 --> 02:06:15,260
quite a bit and when we would go up

3004
02:06:18,530 --> 02:06:16,940
there we would have these family

3005
02:06:21,740 --> 02:06:18,540
reunions from my wife

3006
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:21,750
the family we'd go sit with 25 30 people

3007
02:06:24,740 --> 02:06:23,280
and they would fight you know no oh

3008
02:06:25,820 --> 02:06:24,750
you're here for a UFO conference well

3009
02:06:28,070 --> 02:06:25,830
let me tell you my story I mean

3010
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:28,080
literally I mean every one of them had a

3011
02:06:33,050 --> 02:06:30,570
drone UFO story yeah I can remember

3012
02:06:34,670 --> 02:06:33,060
rubber her aunt saying yeah I was

3013
02:06:36,980 --> 02:06:34,680
driving down the road one day and all I

3014
02:06:38,570 --> 02:06:36,990
was this hundred-foot saucer sitting on

3015
02:06:55,210 --> 02:06:38,580
the roadway blocking me I had to sit and

3016
02:07:00,440 --> 02:06:57,440
that's what's good about the cell phone

3017
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:00,450
you know technology now you know

3018
02:07:05,090 --> 02:07:03,090
whenever the control mechanism that's

3019
02:07:07,010 --> 02:07:05,100
behind these these craft they're they're

3020
02:07:08,660 --> 02:07:07,020
keeping them a little further away from

3021
02:07:10,610 --> 02:07:08,670
people now because they know darn well

3022
02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:10,620
if they get closer someone's gonna get a

3023
02:07:14,930 --> 02:07:12,780
really good shot at some point and it's

3024
02:07:18,020 --> 02:07:14,940
inevitable it's gonna happen I think I

3025
02:07:21,410 --> 02:07:18,030
had kind of theory here which is you

3026
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:21,420
have this collection of UFO photos and

3027
02:07:26,510 --> 02:07:24,450
movies a lot of them on YouTube and I'm

3028
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:26,520
kind of wondering here because it's so

3029
02:07:32,750 --> 02:07:29,610
easy to fake a photo these days we have

3030
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:32,760
all the tools we have smartphone cameras

3031
02:07:39,740 --> 02:07:37,770
with 4k capability and I'm thinking here

3032
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:39,750
you know what some of those could be

3033
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:41,970
real and they'd be there in plain sight

3034
02:07:46,990 --> 02:07:44,130
and you wouldn't recognize them because

3035
02:07:49,790 --> 02:07:47,000
you're so overwhelmed with the fakes

3036
02:07:51,950 --> 02:07:49,800
that's why someone like ray Stanford is

3037
02:07:55,130 --> 02:07:51,960
absolutely crucial because he can look

3038
02:07:57,710 --> 02:07:55,140
and find the little red flags that he

3039
02:08:01,480 --> 02:07:57,720
knows are there that can instantly

3040
02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:01,490
determine whether a photograph or a

3041
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:04,530
section of footage is real or not and I

3042
02:08:11,420 --> 02:08:07,440
really really suggest Jan before we lose

3043
02:08:14,120 --> 02:08:11,430
weight to get him speaking at MUFON he

3044
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:14,130
is ready to go I mean he's already been

3045
02:08:18,650 --> 02:08:16,170
presenting to scientists at Goddard and

3046
02:08:20,860 --> 02:08:18,660
he's about ready to pop right now he's

3047
02:08:24,050 --> 02:08:20,870
currently being featured in this month's

3048
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:24,060
National Geographic for his hobby which

3049
02:08:28,370 --> 02:08:26,010
is the other his dinosaur track work

3050
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:28,380
writing how many people have you had a

3051
02:08:30,380 --> 02:08:29,730
MUFON that have been in National

3052
02:08:32,210 --> 02:08:30,390
Geographic

3053
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:32,220
look I know ray very well

3054
02:08:36,650 --> 02:08:35,010
his outstanding investigator from many

3055
02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:36,660
years ago and currently still doing

3056
02:08:41,990 --> 02:08:38,850
investigations I've actually invited him

3057
02:08:43,580 --> 02:08:42,000
to speak so I'd love to have him come

3058
02:08:46,370 --> 02:08:43,590
look what to put the invitation through

3059
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:46,380
me this time instead of from a woman who

3060
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:47,760
made it sound like it was a local

3061
02:08:53,420 --> 02:08:50,730
chapter of MUFON great race you know he

3062
02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:53,430
he doesn't get out enough and he needs

3063
02:08:58,820 --> 02:08:56,850
help and that's why I I do urge any sort

3064
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:58,830
of communication official communication

3065
02:09:03,050 --> 02:09:00,960
about about gigs and that sort of thing

3066
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:03,060
to go through either myself or Ben and

3067
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:07,530
Tony yeah because ray he's just not used

3068
02:09:11,180 --> 02:09:09,570
to it you know he's so wrapped up in his

3069
02:09:12,620 --> 02:09:11,190
analytical work and as his other work

3070
02:09:14,750 --> 02:09:12,630
and plus he's been having health issues

3071
02:09:17,210 --> 02:09:14,760
so you know he's getting up there he's

3072
02:09:20,150 --> 02:09:17,220
in his early 80s now so we need to jump

3073
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:20,160
on on this and supposedly I'm gonna be

3074
02:09:24,140 --> 02:09:21,930
going out there and videotaping all his

3075
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:24,150
presentations for posterity to get all

3076
02:09:30,050 --> 02:09:26,850
this information down in case he he

3077
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:30,060
checks checks off this mortal coil but

3078
02:09:33,770 --> 02:09:32,010
it would be great to to get him to

3079
02:09:35,450 --> 02:09:33,780
present at the next move han symposium

3080
02:09:37,580 --> 02:09:35,460
because it's right down his alley it's

3081
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:37,590
it's something that he would be I think

3082
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:41,040
a tag teaming with Ben moss Antonia and

3083
02:09:44,930 --> 02:09:43,050
Joey I think we could actually twist his

3084
02:09:47,540 --> 02:09:44,940
arm enough to get him to present and

3085
02:09:52,660 --> 02:09:47,550
he's been fine-tuning his presentations

3086
02:09:55,610 --> 02:09:52,670
now so that they're in manageable chunks

3087
02:09:56,900 --> 02:09:55,620
I'm wide open for that yeah because well

3088
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today there's a lot of people that know

3089
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about ray and he put some butts in the

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seat he would yeah no he's great

3091
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I've read his books and the book and III

3092
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have a great respect for Ray by the way

3093
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:09,480
I did look him up online it claims he's

3094
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79 but 79 is a new 60s so we should

3095
02:10:16,730 --> 02:10:14,250
worry about that

3096
02:10:18,670 --> 02:10:16,740
we've got Jen how are zan and Chris

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O'Brien and gene Steinberg you're in

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this is Mike to hang to the graylien

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3206
02:15:04,700 --> 02:15:01,500
so maybe here we get rain back on the

3207
02:15:07,460 --> 02:15:04,710
power cast we could you know encourage

3208
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:07,470
him to do something yeah yeah well he

3209
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:10,290
operates I think influencing ray and and

3210
02:15:15,140 --> 02:15:12,450
it's a process she can't just you know

3211
02:15:16,790 --> 02:15:15,150
kind of like put him on the spot

3212
02:15:20,240 --> 02:15:16,800
publicly and say right you got to do

3213
02:15:22,940 --> 02:15:20,250
this because then he recoils it's you

3214
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:22,950
kind of annoying way as well as I do and

3215
02:15:26,270 --> 02:15:24,000
I've known him for quite a number of

3216
02:15:28,250 --> 02:15:26,280
years now and got his entire you know

3217
02:15:30,410 --> 02:15:28,260
UFO life history all written down

3218
02:15:32,270 --> 02:15:30,420
unpublished and it's gonna be sitting

3219
02:15:34,430 --> 02:15:32,280
there gathering dust until he gives me

3220
02:15:39,050 --> 02:15:34,440
permission to publish it which I can't

3221
02:15:41,570 --> 02:15:39,060
wait to do but there is a way to to work

3222
02:15:45,230 --> 02:15:41,580
with Ray and get him enthusiastically

3223
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:45,240
involved in a process as opposed to you

3224
02:15:48,850 --> 02:15:46,890
know kind of putting him on the spot he

3225
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:48,860
doesn't doesn't respond well to that so

3226
02:15:55,190 --> 02:15:52,320
yeah I I've spent many hours speaking

3227
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:55,200
with him on the phone and you have to be

3228
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:56,970
very careful with him so but but that

3229
02:16:01,340 --> 02:15:58,560
said I mean he there's some great

3230
02:16:03,380 --> 02:16:01,350
information I mean my gosh he was right

3231
02:16:06,530 --> 02:16:03,390
on the ground floor of the Lonnie some

3232
02:16:08,750 --> 02:16:06,540
work case right so I'll say 64 whatever

3233
02:16:10,640 --> 02:16:08,760
happened that and just phenomenal

3234
02:16:12,020 --> 02:16:10,650
researcher will lose a good one when he

3235
02:16:15,110 --> 02:16:12,030
goes but yeah what they have Kevin

3236
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:15,120
Randle acknowledge the the the really

3237
02:16:19,370 --> 02:16:17,850
good job they did on Socorro I mean

3238
02:16:22,070 --> 02:16:19,380
Kevin doesn't really give compliments

3239
02:16:25,130 --> 02:16:22,080
out there they're few and far between

3240
02:16:27,380 --> 02:16:25,140
and and he did say that Ray did a really

3241
02:16:28,910 --> 02:16:27,390
good job on that case being a fairly

3242
02:16:32,270 --> 02:16:28,920
young guy at the time I mean he was only

3243
02:16:35,690 --> 02:16:32,280
in his 20s oh right yeah I do think that

3244
02:16:36,770 --> 02:16:35,700
the theme of this coming symposium

3245
02:16:39,709 --> 02:16:36,780
where's it gonna be this year by the way

3246
02:16:41,690 --> 02:16:39,719
well in 2018 it'll be in Philadelphia

3247
02:16:44,390 --> 02:16:41,700
I'm almost thinking he'd be better on

3248
02:16:45,860 --> 02:16:44,400
our fiftieth anniversary one in 2019

3249
02:16:48,260 --> 02:16:45,870
which will probably be back in Los

3250
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:48,270
Angeles well then you have the whole

3251
02:16:52,370 --> 02:16:49,969
thing of travel see he could do Philly

3252
02:16:52,940 --> 02:16:52,380
easy because it's a hop skip and a jump

3253
02:16:55,310 --> 02:16:52,950
for him

3254
02:16:57,379 --> 02:16:55,320
he's very very reluctant to fly now so

3255
02:17:02,629 --> 02:16:57,389
that would be something to factor in

3256
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:02,639
there there's Amtrak that's true on a

3257
02:17:07,790 --> 02:17:04,969
steamer through the Panama Canal

3258
02:17:11,420 --> 02:17:07,800
one of our members who won't fly so they

3259
02:17:16,220 --> 02:17:14,060
well I am attractive Philadelphia is a

3260
02:17:17,900 --> 02:17:16,230
pretty easy trick they would drive I

3261
02:17:20,270 --> 02:17:17,910
mean come on it's only a two and a half

3262
02:17:23,390 --> 02:17:20,280
hour drive for Ray from from Berwyn i'ts

3263
02:17:24,680 --> 02:17:23,400
hey come on Philly's just up to 95 you

3264
02:17:26,331 --> 02:17:24,690
know look I'm open

3265
02:17:28,190 --> 02:17:26,341
so we'll look we should discuss that

3266
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:28,200
very good very good I'm glad to hear

3267
02:17:31,550 --> 02:17:29,850
that well I'm glad we're saying the

3268
02:17:34,430 --> 02:17:31,560
schedule you know I want to talk to you

3269
02:17:35,780 --> 02:17:34,440
about this Jan as we see Kevin Randle is

3270
02:17:38,300 --> 02:17:35,790
doing something which i think is very

3271
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:38,310
commendable which is to go back and look

3272
02:17:45,230 --> 02:17:42,930
at older UFO cases and try to re-examine

3273
02:17:47,810 --> 02:17:45,240
the evidence and see where things lie so

3274
02:17:50,030 --> 02:17:47,820
he came out with this book Roswell in

3275
02:17:52,791 --> 02:17:50,040
the 21st century where with the Roswell

3276
02:17:55,850 --> 02:17:52,801
case some of the things about it were

3277
02:17:57,950 --> 02:17:55,860
not as certain as before that he still

3278
02:18:02,510 --> 02:17:57,960
feels something weird happened but

3279
02:18:04,730 --> 02:18:02,520
things like possible alien bodies not so

3280
02:18:07,460 --> 02:18:04,740
certain anymore about that because the

3281
02:18:10,190 --> 02:18:07,470
evidence is just not there he went back

3282
02:18:12,081 --> 02:18:10,200
of course to see Karl and he came out

3283
02:18:14,840 --> 02:18:12,091
with a lot of solid information

3284
02:18:17,570 --> 02:18:14,850
basically enhancing what we know about

3285
02:18:20,331 --> 02:18:17,580
the case and also demolishing some of

3286
02:18:22,670 --> 02:18:20,341
the skeptics who've tried to find ways

3287
02:18:25,010 --> 02:18:22,680
to disprove it especially pointing out

3288
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:25,020
that the head of project Bluebook at the

3289
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:29,280
time made an extraordinary effort to

3290
02:18:35,300 --> 02:18:32,010
disprove that case and try to look for

3291
02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:35,310
possible test aircraft everything could

3292
02:18:40,610 --> 02:18:38,970
not do it really tried and also no

3293
02:18:42,170 --> 02:18:40,620
statements at Hynek made that that was

3294
02:18:44,450 --> 02:18:42,180
the first time that you really started

3295
02:18:49,130 --> 02:18:44,460
to have a seal reversal and his thinking

3296
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:49,140
was the 65 Socorro case exactly it was

3297
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:52,890
one of those compelling cases and that's

3298
02:18:58,130 --> 02:18:55,770
an interesting thing here we could think

3299
02:19:00,190 --> 02:18:58,140
about with MUFON we have one guy Kevin

3300
02:19:02,570 --> 02:19:00,200
Randle going through all these old cases

3301
02:19:03,980 --> 02:19:02,580
do you have the personnel would do

3302
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:03,990
something like that you know go through

3303
02:19:10,041 --> 02:19:07,170
the most important cases of yesteryear

3304
02:19:12,200 --> 02:19:10,051
give them a second look and see where

3305
02:19:14,331 --> 02:19:12,210
they fit with the overall picture well

3306
02:19:16,190 --> 02:19:14,341
it's interesting you say that because I

3307
02:19:17,930 --> 02:19:16,200
was just on the phone with Roger Marsh

3308
02:19:20,900 --> 02:19:17,940
yesterday and we were talking about our

3309
02:19:22,850 --> 02:19:20,910
January issue for the MUFON Journal now

3310
02:19:24,621 --> 02:19:22,860
this is not the level you're talking but

3311
02:19:24,860 --> 02:19:24,631
but one of the things we wanted to do

3312
02:19:26,900 --> 02:19:24,870
with

3313
02:19:28,879 --> 02:19:26,910
you know take the top 10 cases of all

3314
02:19:30,650 --> 02:19:28,889
time and feature them in the journal

3315
02:19:33,740 --> 02:19:30,660
because there's so many great cases back

3316
02:19:35,480 --> 02:19:33,750
there oh now ruff that'd be tough to do

3317
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:35,490
yeah well I don't know how you do it in

3318
02:19:39,560 --> 02:19:38,010
24 pages but just to determine what

3319
02:19:41,419 --> 02:19:39,570
those cases are is what I'm talking

3320
02:19:42,860 --> 02:19:41,429
about oh I know I know you probably come

3321
02:19:45,500 --> 02:19:42,870
up with the first 5 or 6 and after that

3322
02:19:49,011 --> 02:19:45,510
you'd really him right really up to

3323
02:19:50,570 --> 02:19:49,021
personal opinion I guess well exactly

3324
02:19:52,100 --> 02:19:50,580
I'd like that then you get people argue

3325
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:52,110
no but it was at the right 10 you know I

3326
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:54,960
said I your question Jean is you know go

3327
02:19:58,220 --> 02:19:56,370
back and look at these things the

3328
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:58,230
answers absolutely could you need to put

3329
02:20:01,430 --> 02:19:59,760
together a team of people or maybe

3330
02:20:03,770 --> 02:20:01,440
multiple teams of people and give them

3331
02:20:05,301 --> 02:20:03,780
each a case to go work on problem with a

3332
02:20:07,790 --> 02:20:05,311
lot of these older cases is that that

3333
02:20:10,700 --> 02:20:07,800
evidence is so old or no longer can be

3334
02:20:13,370 --> 02:20:10,710
found that you have a hard time digging

3335
02:20:16,130 --> 02:20:13,380
into it so one thing I found about the

3336
02:20:19,580 --> 02:20:16,140
UFO field is it's easy to discredit

3337
02:20:21,950 --> 02:20:19,590
cases because it's just so strange what

3338
02:20:24,170 --> 02:20:21,960
you see and what you hear and people all

3339
02:20:26,690 --> 02:20:24,180
want that physical piece of the craft or

3340
02:20:28,130 --> 02:20:26,700
whatever it is and even when people

3341
02:20:30,980 --> 02:20:28,140
bring the physical piece of the craft

3342
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:30,990
they still challenge it and say it's not

3343
02:20:34,850 --> 02:20:33,450
so so it's just think it's kind of a

3344
02:20:36,650 --> 02:20:34,860
sign of the times is there a particular

3345
02:20:40,850 --> 02:20:36,660
case you think we should go look at or

3346
02:20:43,810 --> 02:20:40,860
go dig into I think any case that's

3347
02:20:47,060 --> 02:20:43,820
considered and unknown

3348
02:20:50,330 --> 02:20:47,070
there's gotten a lot of attention yes

3349
02:20:52,700 --> 02:20:50,340
herbs a second look my my three favorite

3350
02:20:55,130 --> 02:20:52,710
case I mean obviously Roswell is off top

3351
02:20:58,460 --> 02:20:55,140
of everybody's list but I thought Stan

3352
02:21:01,690 --> 02:20:58,470
Friedman did a great job back 20 30

3353
02:21:04,580 --> 02:21:01,700
years ago when he put together the movie

3354
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:04,590
recollections of Roswell I think it was

3355
02:21:09,410 --> 02:21:06,720
him at the voice is on the tape sounds

3356
02:21:11,480 --> 02:21:09,420
like Stan's voice any interviewed 30

3357
02:21:13,220 --> 02:21:11,490
firsthand and secondhand witnesses you

3358
02:21:16,370 --> 02:21:13,230
know the children of the people who were

3359
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:16,380
saw it and also the people who saw it it

3360
02:21:21,610 --> 02:21:18,170
was pretty compelling cases something

3361
02:21:26,690 --> 02:21:21,620
significant had happened down there

3362
02:21:29,930 --> 02:21:26,700
the other one I like is the the ICBM you

3363
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:29,940
know cases where we're you know military

3364
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:32,730
people in the bunkers who were hands on

3365
02:21:36,730 --> 02:21:34,050
the controls to launch the missiles

3366
02:21:38,780 --> 02:21:36,740
actually watched them go offline as

3367
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:38,790
security people upstairs were

3368
02:21:42,740 --> 02:21:40,080
telling him that there was craft over

3369
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:42,750
the base we that is extremely

3370
02:21:47,630 --> 02:21:44,850
significant and documented in Air Force

3371
02:21:50,599 --> 02:21:47,640
documents so right and we have cases as

3372
02:21:54,740 --> 02:21:50,609
recently I think is what 2009 and or 10

3373
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:54,750
yes yes yeah I mean this stuff continues

3374
02:21:59,480 --> 02:21:56,340
to happen you know so there's somebody

3375
02:22:03,590 --> 02:21:59,490
who's not happy with how we're playing

3376
02:22:05,090 --> 02:22:03,600
with nuclear weapons pointing about each

3377
02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:05,100
other trying to blow each other up I was

3378
02:22:08,090 --> 02:22:06,450
wondering if North Korea ever launched

3379
02:22:09,380 --> 02:22:08,100
an attack against United States who

3380
02:22:15,860 --> 02:22:09,390
would knock the missile out of the sky

3381
02:22:18,620 --> 02:22:15,870
first I don't think if we are being

3382
02:22:20,210 --> 02:22:18,630
visited by space visitors though that

3383
02:22:22,760 --> 02:22:20,220
they even care

3384
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:22,770
maybe with nuclear weapons they might

3385
02:22:29,090 --> 02:22:25,439
but you have so many thousands of people

3386
02:22:31,070 --> 02:22:29,100
dying around the world for one thing or

3387
02:22:31,550 --> 02:22:31,080
another and they're not doing anything

3388
02:22:33,620 --> 02:22:31,560
about it

3389
02:22:35,389 --> 02:22:33,630
well in their eyes it may not be

3390
02:22:38,090 --> 02:22:35,399
necessarily a bad thing because you know

3391
02:22:41,450 --> 02:22:38,100
we are the most detrimental force on

3392
02:22:43,490 --> 02:22:41,460
this planet and what may be of interest

3393
02:22:46,849 --> 02:22:43,500
to the visitors if that's what they are

3394
02:22:48,769 --> 02:22:46,859
is the amazing biodiversity and the the

3395
02:22:51,500 --> 02:22:48,779
wonderful web of life that we have here

3396
02:22:54,920 --> 02:22:51,510
that we are putting in jeopardy but with

3397
02:22:56,780 --> 02:22:54,930
our very you know progress but go back

3398
02:22:58,460 --> 02:22:56,790
to the beginning of this broadcast where

3399
02:22:59,960 --> 02:22:58,470
we were talking about the possibility

3400
02:23:01,519 --> 02:22:59,970
that maybe these things are actually

3401
02:23:04,429 --> 02:23:01,529
from here or they're not from out there

3402
02:23:06,980 --> 02:23:04,439
from here and if this is actually their

3403
02:23:10,730 --> 02:23:06,990
domain and we're trying we're messing it

3404
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:10,740
up by blowing off nuclear weapons maybe

3405
02:23:13,940 --> 02:23:11,970
that's not something they want to have

3406
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:13,950
happen who knows I mean who knows what

3407
02:23:21,019 --> 02:23:18,090
the answer is but it's it's it's it's

3408
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:21,029
interesting to think about and and to

3409
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:24,000
know that this actually happened because

3410
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:26,010
my understanding from talking to one of

3411
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:28,170
these individuals who was in that

3412
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:31,439
control room uh you know 60 feet under

3413
02:23:37,849 --> 02:23:33,090
the ground but between four layers of

3414
02:23:41,480 --> 02:23:37,859
concrete and steel was that when an

3415
02:23:43,330 --> 02:23:41,490
inquiry happened because the general was

3416
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:43,340
upset that the missiles all went offline

3417
02:23:48,110 --> 02:23:45,600
that they didn't like the report that

3418
02:23:49,700 --> 02:23:48,120
came back from Boeing and they destroyed

3419
02:23:51,290 --> 02:23:49,710
the report because essentially the

3420
02:23:52,340 --> 02:23:51,300
report said we can find nothing wrong

3421
02:23:53,960 --> 02:23:52,350
with the Syst

3422
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:53,970
here that would have caused him to go

3423
02:23:58,790 --> 02:23:56,640
offline so some external force such as

3424
02:24:00,349 --> 02:23:58,800
this thing that was seeing had to be a

3425
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:00,359
benefit done whether it's what affected

3426
02:24:02,990 --> 02:24:01,770
it well they didn't want to hear that

3427
02:24:04,700 --> 02:24:03,000
that wasn't what they wanted to hear

3428
02:24:06,620 --> 02:24:04,710
they want to hear that somebody had made

3429
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:06,630
a mistake switch to switch wrong or

3430
02:24:12,380 --> 02:24:08,970
whatever and turn these missiles off you

3431
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:12,390
know but let's do our break final

3432
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:14,250
segment with Jan horizon-- with Jeana

3433
02:24:32,500 --> 02:24:28,591
[Music]

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02:24:36,670 --> 02:24:32,510
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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

3452
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at that so old cases Rendlesham yes and

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I think partly in light of the issues

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with Larry Warren and his credibility

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that's certainly one thing and by the

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way we've been touched with a fellow

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named Andrew Pike astrophysicist from

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the UK who's written the new book with a

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new look on Rendlesham interesting new

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book that we're looking into and he'll

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probably be on the next week or two so

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it's important to take a new look even

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at that case what's your take on all

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this Jan well I try not to get mired in

3554
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:39,960
the the fighting that goes on within

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02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:41,250
that whole subject

3556
02:29:45,860 --> 02:29:43,110
I think Rendlesham is probably one in my

3557
02:29:49,700 --> 02:29:45,870
top five cases I think there's enough

3558
02:29:51,290 --> 02:29:49,710
data there and government papers that

3559
02:29:53,060 --> 02:29:51,300
say this it doesn't really happen and

3560
02:29:54,890 --> 02:29:53,070
the people there the recordings that

3561
02:29:57,381 --> 02:29:54,900
exist of the going out into the forest

3562
02:29:59,120 --> 02:29:57,391
and seeing the object that it's

3563
02:30:02,091 --> 02:29:59,130
certainly worthy of further

3564
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:02,101
investigation and this goes back to what

3565
02:30:05,420 --> 02:30:03,450
we've known for years which is that

3566
02:30:07,460 --> 02:30:05,430
these crafts are seen around military

3567
02:30:08,930 --> 02:30:07,470
installations nuclear power plants and

3568
02:30:10,310 --> 02:30:08,940
places where anti-gravity research is

3569
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:10,320
being done and this this is right up

3570
02:30:13,900 --> 02:30:12,240
that alley many many many of our cases

3571
02:30:16,670 --> 02:30:13,910
come to us through military channels

3572
02:30:18,470 --> 02:30:16,680
people who are in the military a lot of

3573
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:18,480
times going through war exercises and

3574
02:30:23,420 --> 02:30:20,730
they'll see objects in the sky above the

3575
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simulated battlefield if you will but as

3576
02:30:27,261 --> 02:30:25,230
far as that water is III think it's

3577
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:27,271
definitely a case that could be looked

3578
02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:29,760
into further and more in depth just as

3579
02:30:33,710 --> 02:30:32,160
an aside I had someone reached out to me

3580
02:30:36,770 --> 02:30:33,720
and asked me if I could provide him with

3581
02:30:38,120 --> 02:30:36,780
a video of that incident and I I looked

3582
02:30:40,220 --> 02:30:38,130
long and hard and there's not a lot of

3583
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:40,230
good people doing documentaries on that

3584
02:30:44,631 --> 02:30:42,000
case I think it could he's a good

3585
02:30:46,490 --> 02:30:44,641
documentary my my own feeling much along

3586
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:46,500
the lines of what Stan did with this

3587
02:30:50,990 --> 02:30:48,930
recollections of Roswell peace so I

3588
02:30:53,240 --> 02:30:51,000
think just an outstanding piece of

3589
02:30:54,170 --> 02:30:53,250
evidence that people can listen to and

3590
02:30:55,881 --> 02:30:54,180
understand there's something very

3591
02:30:57,950 --> 02:30:55,891
significant happened there there is a

3592
02:30:58,790 --> 02:30:57,960
dispute over some of Stan's stuff like

3593
02:31:00,381 --> 02:30:58,800
mj-12

3594
02:31:01,041 --> 02:31:00,391
oh yeah yeah no that's true but that

3595
02:31:03,291 --> 02:31:01,051
didn't have anything

3596
02:31:05,871 --> 02:31:03,301
with this this this was strictly he went

3597
02:31:07,430 --> 02:31:05,881
out to Roswell and I don't know who all

3598
02:31:09,771 --> 02:31:07,440
was part of that group when they did and

3599
02:31:12,951 --> 02:31:09,781
they interviewed the firsthand witnesses

3600
02:31:14,121 --> 02:31:12,961
to the actual encounter this is some

3601
02:31:16,521 --> 02:31:14,131
twenty thirty years ago that they

3602
02:31:19,220 --> 02:31:16,531
created this video which is now a DVD

3603
02:31:21,201 --> 02:31:19,230
right I saw the listing online and I was

3604
02:31:24,021 --> 02:31:21,211
gonna ask you about that what do you

3605
02:31:26,930 --> 02:31:24,031
think about someone like Nick Redfern

3606
02:31:30,201 --> 02:31:26,940
who had this book Body Snatchers in the

3607
02:31:33,711 --> 02:31:30,211
desert and he specified as something an

3608
02:31:35,241 --> 02:31:33,721
experiment gone wrong you know I don't

3609
02:31:38,031 --> 02:31:35,251
really know I haven't read the book

3610
02:31:41,001 --> 02:31:38,041
I know Nick's into other areas besides

3611
02:31:43,521 --> 02:31:41,011
the UFOs he's a great writer and a

3612
02:31:45,171 --> 02:31:43,531
terrific friend of MUFON and I don't

3613
02:31:47,180 --> 02:31:45,181
have any comment specifically on that I

3614
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:47,190
can't really say so I I do have one

3615
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:48,690
thing I could put out there which is a

3616
02:31:52,521 --> 02:31:50,730
postulation which is I had the

3617
02:31:53,781 --> 02:31:52,531
opportunity to go down to New Mexico and

3618
02:31:57,231 --> 02:31:53,791
visit some of these sites

3619
02:31:59,871 --> 02:31:57,241
the Roswell site the Socorro site some

3620
02:32:03,111 --> 02:31:59,881
of these other reports of craft crashing

3621
02:32:04,731 --> 02:32:03,121
back in the mid 40s through the I guess

3622
02:32:06,651 --> 02:32:04,741
through a mid 60s

3623
02:32:09,051 --> 02:32:06,661
one of the things that struck me was

3624
02:32:11,421 --> 02:32:09,061
it's all within close proximity course

3625
02:32:13,941 --> 02:32:11,431
- well Ground Zero where the first

3626
02:32:15,531 --> 02:32:13,951
nuclear bomb guys set off but also Los

3627
02:32:17,001 --> 02:32:15,541
Alamos and all of the research

3628
02:32:20,451 --> 02:32:17,011
laboratories down there which back in

3629
02:32:22,881 --> 02:32:20,461
the 40s had some of our top scientists

3630
02:32:25,211 --> 02:32:22,891
one of them you know owner von Braun who

3631
02:32:29,451 --> 02:32:25,221
was captured brought over from Germany

3632
02:32:30,741 --> 02:32:29,461
Oppenheim er iron stein Teller I mean

3633
02:32:33,231 --> 02:32:30,751
these guys were all down there working

3634
02:32:34,791 --> 02:32:33,241
on these top-secret projects one of the

3635
02:32:36,140 --> 02:32:34,801
thoughts that struck me was I wonder if

3636
02:32:37,731 --> 02:32:36,150
a lot of these crafts that crashed on

3637
02:32:39,741 --> 02:32:37,741
them just put this as a hypothesis I

3638
02:32:42,191 --> 02:32:39,751
mean you'd have to do a lot more study

3639
02:32:45,021 --> 02:32:42,201
in it could have possibly been our own

3640
02:32:47,451 --> 02:32:45,031
experiments on trying to back engineer

3641
02:32:49,671 --> 02:32:47,461
these craft and get him to work or maybe

3642
02:32:51,981 --> 02:32:49,681
some kind of a time machine because the

3643
02:32:53,961 --> 02:32:51,991
one case I'm thinking of where the craft

3644
02:32:56,180 --> 02:32:53,971
almost appeared during an electrical

3645
02:32:57,801 --> 02:32:56,190
storm and came flying us and crashed and

3646
02:32:59,781 --> 02:32:57,811
then little beings were seen on board

3647
02:33:01,341 --> 02:32:59,791
the craft but then the army came in and

3648
02:33:03,011 --> 02:33:01,351
said this is this is a weather balloon

3649
02:33:05,841 --> 02:33:03,021
which is I love that story it's a well

3650
02:33:07,581 --> 02:33:05,851
it's a 30-foot saucer or hard metallic

3651
02:33:09,591 --> 02:33:07,591
but it's a weather balloon and hauled it

3652
02:33:11,661 --> 02:33:09,601
away if maybe this was some of our own

3653
02:33:13,611 --> 02:33:11,671
experimentation going on it's just a

3654
02:33:14,900 --> 02:33:13,621
thought I don't know that that's the

3655
02:33:17,240 --> 02:33:14,910
case or not the case

3656
02:33:20,540 --> 02:33:17,250
but it struck me that so many of these

3657
02:33:23,780 --> 02:33:20,550
crashes in incidents happen all within a

3658
02:33:25,761 --> 02:33:23,790
very small space and all in New Mexico

3659
02:33:28,460 --> 02:33:25,771
where we happen to just be doing all

3660
02:33:29,750 --> 02:33:28,470
these top-secret extinction cluding

3661
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:29,760
building the atomic bomb and the

3662
02:33:33,140 --> 02:33:31,290
hydrogen bomb could it have been

3663
02:33:36,500 --> 02:33:33,150
possibly something that these brilliant

3664
02:33:38,690 --> 02:33:36,510
folks the tellers the Oppenheim er is

3665
02:33:40,270 --> 02:33:38,700
the Diane Stein's you know the one room

3666
02:33:42,470 --> 02:33:40,280
bronze that would that they maybe were

3667
02:33:44,330 --> 02:33:42,480
conjuring up as part of their

3668
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:44,340
experimentation bringing some of this

3669
02:33:48,350 --> 02:33:45,690
negative technology even over from

3670
02:33:49,820 --> 02:33:48,360
Germany Germany collapsed I'm not saying

3671
02:33:51,740 --> 02:33:49,830
it I just saying it's a possibility that

3672
02:33:54,410 --> 02:33:51,750
someone should probably look into well

3673
02:33:56,810 --> 02:33:54,420
Ron Regehr I mean I must interject here

3674
02:33:58,610 --> 02:33:56,820
his presentation about the actual

3675
02:34:01,100 --> 02:33:58,620
wreckage in the you know the general

3676
02:34:03,140 --> 02:34:01,110
ramey photos is really compelling

3677
02:34:06,261 --> 02:34:03,150
because he makes a really good case that

3678
02:34:08,750 --> 02:34:06,271
none of that wreckage really conforms

3679
02:34:11,030 --> 02:34:08,760
with any parts list from any sort of

3680
02:34:13,730 --> 02:34:11,040
balloon systems that were operational at

3681
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:13,740
the time and instead of seeing a lot of

3682
02:34:18,320 --> 02:34:15,930
string which is what you would obviously

3683
02:34:20,420 --> 02:34:18,330
see whether a balloon train there's not

3684
02:34:22,520 --> 02:34:20,430
one one strand of string which would be

3685
02:34:24,950 --> 02:34:22,530
probably the most prominent piece of of

3686
02:34:27,381 --> 02:34:24,960
evidence that would be left behind with

3687
02:34:28,910 --> 02:34:27,391
some sort of mogul balloon crash or you

3688
02:34:30,110 --> 02:34:28,920
know the radio saw and the balloon

3689
02:34:33,591 --> 02:34:30,120
trains that they were they were using

3690
02:34:36,410 --> 02:34:33,601
back back then in the late 40s and then

3691
02:34:38,420 --> 02:34:36,420
he also points out that there are some

3692
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:38,430
very very interesting symbols on some of

3693
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:41,040
these kind of Eyebeam looking thing

3694
02:34:45,620 --> 02:34:43,530
pieces that are in the wreckage I've

3695
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:45,630
also asked asked him to publish in

3696
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:48,720
social media his taking of the four and

3697
02:34:54,170 --> 02:34:50,970
five different efforts to decipher the

3698
02:34:56,030 --> 02:34:54,180
Ramey memo and showing all the areas in

3699
02:34:59,240 --> 02:34:56,040
which each of the independent groups of

3700
02:35:00,680 --> 02:34:59,250
analysts all agree on wording so when

3701
02:35:02,091 --> 02:35:00,690
people say oh you can't read anything

3702
02:35:04,190 --> 02:35:02,101
it's beyond you know the point of

3703
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:04,200
resolution and all that I disagree

3704
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:06,090
because you know for instance Fort Worth

3705
02:35:10,610 --> 02:35:07,920
Texas everybody agrees that that's what

3706
02:35:13,011 --> 02:35:10,620
it says victims of the crash is another

3707
02:35:14,511 --> 02:35:13,021
one that several of the groups all came

3708
02:35:16,190 --> 02:35:14,521
up with it all independent of one

3709
02:35:19,370 --> 02:35:16,200
another by the way I just wanted to

3710
02:35:22,131 --> 02:35:19,380
mention here when we had Kevin Randle on

3711
02:35:26,330 --> 02:35:22,141
for after the para cast we talked about

3712
02:35:28,520 --> 02:35:26,340
this a little bit and he said victims is

3713
02:35:31,100 --> 02:35:28,530
not at all certain

3714
02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:31,110
conclusion I need to get run to go ahead

3715
02:35:36,530 --> 02:35:33,570
and publish his his he had this one

3716
02:35:39,230 --> 02:35:36,540
image that shows everybody's different

3717
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:39,240
version of of what they were able to

3718
02:35:43,160 --> 02:35:41,040
glean from that and then he comes up

3719
02:35:45,980 --> 02:35:43,170
with a composite one that shows where

3720
02:35:47,450 --> 02:35:45,990
everybody agrees and it would be

3721
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:47,460
interesting for folks to see that

3722
02:35:54,801 --> 02:35:51,570
because quite a lot of very very I think

3723
02:35:55,940 --> 02:35:54,811
talented photographic analysis has

3724
02:35:57,680 --> 02:35:55,950
already been brought to bear on that

3725
02:36:00,620 --> 02:35:57,690
memo and a lot of people don't realize

3726
02:36:02,631 --> 02:36:00,630
that there's been several efforts no

3727
02:36:06,530 --> 02:36:02,641
independent of one another that have

3728
02:36:08,001 --> 02:36:06,540
attempted to do that and and Ron is the

3729
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:08,011
only person I've seen that's attempted

3730
02:36:12,190 --> 02:36:10,170
to put all that together and show

3731
02:36:16,761 --> 02:36:12,200
commonalities and I think that that's

3732
02:36:18,921 --> 02:36:16,771
that's an area of reviewing a case going

3733
02:36:23,511 --> 02:36:18,931
back to a case as we were discussing

3734
02:36:25,580 --> 02:36:23,521
this is one of those types of an example

3735
02:36:27,501 --> 02:36:25,590
of that type of effort that we may be

3736
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:27,511
able to do with other cases especially

3737
02:36:30,890 --> 02:36:29,370
more recent cases like Rendlesham where

3738
02:36:33,400 --> 02:36:30,900
there's quite a number of people that

3739
02:36:35,480 --> 02:36:33,410
are still around that could have

3740
02:36:37,640 --> 02:36:35,490
interesting information that maybe was

3741
02:36:40,490 --> 02:36:37,650
taken out of context or not not really

3742
02:36:41,961 --> 02:36:40,500
reviewed properly and in jan you're

3743
02:36:45,171 --> 02:36:41,971
right when you think about it there is

3744
02:36:48,680 --> 02:36:45,181
very little footage from that time

3745
02:36:50,120 --> 02:36:48,690
period at Rendlesham that has been made

3746
02:36:53,150 --> 02:36:50,130
publicly available and there's got to be

3747
02:36:54,801 --> 02:36:53,160
more well I was also thinking just do

3748
02:36:57,620 --> 02:36:54,811
all the researchers who've touched this

3749
02:36:59,211 --> 02:36:57,630
case Linda Moulton Howe and others you

3750
02:37:02,030 --> 02:36:59,221
would think there'd be a documentary on

3751
02:37:04,131 --> 02:37:02,040
I thought there was I I went looking for

3752
02:37:06,680 --> 02:37:04,141
it I couldn't find it it just seems like

3753
02:37:10,131 --> 02:37:06,690
such a good case yeah with very credible

3754
02:37:12,711 --> 02:37:10,141
witnesses on a military base with with

3755
02:37:16,040 --> 02:37:12,721
documentation you would think that we

3756
02:37:17,720 --> 02:37:16,050
have something Jan Harrison please tell

3757
02:37:20,660 --> 02:37:17,730
our listeners where we can find more of

3758
02:37:23,930 --> 02:37:20,670
the stuff that you do you can find it on

3759
02:37:26,211 --> 02:37:23,940
MUFON comm our website or call us here

3760
02:37:29,720 --> 02:37:26,221
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02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:32,340
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02:37:36,261 --> 02:37:34,170
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02:37:41,171 --> 02:37:39,931
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02:37:45,060 --> 02:37:41,181
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02:37:48,581 --> 02:37:45,070
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02:37:53,081 --> 02:37:50,961
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3770
02:37:56,291 --> 02:37:53,091
poison as some might say we have a

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02:38:03,671 --> 02:38:01,791
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3774
02:38:05,350 --> 02:38:03,681
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3775
02:38:08,111 --> 02:38:05,360
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3776
02:38:11,140 --> 02:38:08,121
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3777
02:38:14,651 --> 02:38:11,150
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3778
02:38:17,081 --> 02:38:14,661
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3779
02:38:20,501 --> 02:38:17,091
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3780
02:38:23,560 --> 02:38:20,511
New Mexico in 1948 and can assert that

3781
02:38:26,470 --> 02:38:23,570
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3782
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:26,480
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02:38:50,490 --> 02:38:43,311
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